Why is Snowsong, Thrall's frost wolf mount, black? This had to have been a conscious decision in WarCraft 3, as regular Far Seer's mounts are white. So... uh..


--Wasted 02:33, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

It's simply never been explained. Perhaps female wolves of that species turn black after whelping. It's possible that it isn't the original Snowsong, but a black-furred namesake. More likely Blizzard decided that Thrall would look more impressive on a black wolf and hoped no one would notice that Snowsong was supposed to be white. --Ragestorm 06:19, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

Maybe Snowsong died and Thrall named his new wolf Snowsong. Do we even know if it says that is Snowsong? Lckyluke372 (talk) 16:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Equally possible is that Blizz didn't create the character of Snowsong till after they'd done Thrall's visuals in WC3, especially as he is riding a Frostwolf Howler in WoW when shown mounted. :) Xarantaur (talk) 18:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

The only problem with that theory is that LotC was published in 01, and RoC was released in 02. I'm not a programmer, but I would have thought that changing the color of a wolf (especially since white wolves were present for the generic Farseers alread) would be able to be accomplished in that time. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I thought it had been pointed out already, but the color of a wolf's coat will vary with the seasons. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Well in that case Ragetotem I'd guess it was a lack of communication :) Xarantaur (talk) 15:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, the astrologers would say that Mercury is in retrograde this month, so miscommunication is to be expected.
Luckily for us, we're talking about Azeroth here, so I can ignore that drivel and say I forgot. ;-P--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 06:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Thrall's HP

Does anyone know how much HP Thrall has in WoW? Thanks.--StormtalonX

Wow wow wow Ragestorm. Isn't Thrall killable ingame ?--K ) (talk) 04:19, 19 November 2006 (EST)

By the same token that Sylvanas or Tyrande or the other racial leaders are: in PvP realms, and not as part of the plot. --Ragestorm 10:41, 19 November 2006 (EST)

Thrall's HP Pre TBC was around 637k but all city bosses recieved a buff and have around 1 million Hp currently in wow Valnar 12:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Infact Thrall has roughly 1,122,808 HP in WoW currently. All faction leaders/city bosses will recieve another buff/lvling for WotLK to scale with the Dps and HP of the lvl 80 players Valnar 11:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Ingame joke ?

Thrall is indeed ... the Shaman King !--K ) (talk) 10:00, 30 September 2006 (EDT)

???????--Ragestorm 21:47, 30 September 2006 (EDT)

Thrall is the Warchief of the Horde, let's say he's the King. And he's a Shaman. Therefore he's the Shaman King.--K ) (talk) 03:46, 1 October 2006 (EDT)

And Blizzard would put in a joke related to a slightly obscure anime because...?--Ragestorm 22:22, 1 October 2006 (EDT)
Slightly obscure ? Man, it's one of the mos popular mangas in the world ! I totally see why !--K ) (talk) 04:28, 2 October 2006 (EDT)
Anime is evil and corrupting, so blizzard would never put a reference to it in their games. Their sense of humor isn't that sick... is it?--Sandwichman2448 20:39, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

LOL... Thrall the Shaman King... well, he DID summon the spirit of fire in... is it cycle of hatred i forgot which novel. --Invin Dranoel 06:39, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

Thrall is not a shaman and Thrall is not a king. He´s a Farseer, that also have skills for warrior, and he´s a warchief. Remember that orcs not have kings. We technically can consider him a shaman, of course, because farseer is like a higher form of shamanism, but he stills not a king. And remember that the sighlty obscure form of shamanism shown in "Shaman King" its very different with the more-like-the-reality form of shamanism shown in Warcraft (connection with the elemental spirits (WoW) instead of just the spirits of roadkilled samurais(Shaman King)). Dr.M.Ginius (talk) 07:48, 12 October 2008

Thrall was first a warrrior taught human tactics and forced to fight in the gladiator ring. Thrall later found the Frostwolf clan wich he belonged to. Living with them he did indeed learn the ways of the shaman from Drek'Thar. Thrall was the first orc to learn the ways of shamanism in decades because the spirits refused to bestow there powers on anyone after the horde turned to warlock dark magic and he is the most powerfull shaman there ever was. I would agree that Thrall is not a King nor would his caracter want the title of Saman King. Thrall is the single greatest thing blizzard has created.

Thrall and Jaina comments

It's pure speculation, so keep it that way. There's no point adding a section about whether they get married because it's irrelevant and going widly into the realm of 'ooh, what if this happened' -- Kirkburn (talk) 15:52, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

White Punch Card : I had seen it before but I think it's a joke. However we can keep it here.--K ) (talk) 09:19, 10 October 2006 (EDT)
That's a clever in-joke. The marriage thing was speculation, and rancid speculation at that- though I sense a good plot for fanfiction. --Ragestorm 18:57, 10 October 2006 (EDT)

NEVER! JAINA IS MINE!!! Imagine what the guys in Kul Tiras would do if they actually get married! It would be the start of the FOURTH WAR!!! --Invin Dranoel 06:43, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

No, Jaina is mine. And, moreover, her own father even had a child with a High Elf, so even if the Orcs are ugly interracial marrying shouldn't be a problem.--K ) (talk) 08:29, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

I'd advise you to think VERY carefully before continuing that conversation- Jaina neither knows nor cares that either of you exist. Kul'tiras vs. the Horde. More like the Fourth Skirmish than an actual war. One does wonder, though... it would heal certain breachs. Let's save it for another expansion hence, or Warcraft IV, people.--Ragestorm 11:38, 18 October 2006 (EDT)
:P I was kidding (was Invin ?). Anyway I don't think it would be a big deal.--K ) (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

Dudes, Jaina doesnt exist, she's just a computer creation with a real person's voice. Mr.X8 00:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Jeez, next you're going to say that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny don't exist... --Azaram 06:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Of course, Thrall would marry a girl that looked like his big sister. Use some sense people. Blizzard is just making a stupid playground joke, not hinting at a possible love life. We already have one half-orc, so who needs another one in the mix?I wear the cheese, it does not wear me. 23:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it might be good for Alliance/Horde relations diplomatically if Jaina mysteriously has a green baby who, every other weekend, gets escorted to Grommash Hold via armored carrige with tinted windows :P would cause controvery on both factions, but would help them unite eventualy. besides the alliance and horse need to ally again. besides, there is now NO reason for them to fight! the Legion, the Scourge, and myriad other problems are too much for them to hold on to petty squables, plus Ku Tiras guys in Durotat are not under Alliance orders

Can I see the quote from the allaince & horde compendium that denies a romantic relationship between Thrall and Jaina? I've looked at page 61, thats stuff about half-elves. Only thing relating to Jaina is takl of her half-elf half sister. Thrall and Jaina are mentioned repeatedly in the following pages, but nothing confirming or denying a romantic relationship is mentioned.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 18:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Any proof of the alleged official ship-sink at BlizzCon?
IconSmall Draenei Female.gif Farseer Loloteatalkcontrib 22:36, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

WC3 > WoW?

"However, in the WoW version, Thrall doesn't even care about his Peon subjects and is shown to be more aggressive and more unfriendly towards his warriors. "

What's the source for this? This statement seems completely unfounded. ESPECIALLY given that he will greet the player's character, a nobody, warmly. --Pure.Wasted 16:32, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

I've removed that section - it doesn't agree with anyinformation I've ever come across, nor appears to make sense. (PS. New comment sections go at the bottom of pages, please) -- Kirkburn (talk) 17:02, 3 October 2006 (EDT)
Woops. Will keep in mind. :) --Pure.Wasted 18:02, 3 October 2006 (EDT)
It just gets confusing sometimes :P Thanks! -- Kirkburn (talk) 19:12, 3 October 2006 (EDT)
Whoever made that up has seriously not talked to Thrall or played the game. He himself states that "all memebers of the Horde are equal in my eyes," and greets the players if they have any interests in serving the Horde. The only members Thrall is uneasy and somewhat at odds with are the Forsaken and the Blood Elves, the former for fairly obvious reasons. Thrall values his peons and all his grunts and makes great strides and movements towards abolishing slavery among his fellow orc, soldiers and civilians alike. It is probably High Overlord Saurfang or Overlord Runthak, like said above, who believe in ranks and stuff like that. --Eman91

I think whoever wrote it might've gotten the idea from the PvP rank book you can purchase, which details how the Horde military is structured, and shows the greatest rank down to the lowest ("as should be"). I either Overlord Saurfang or that other guy wrote it, and as well all know, those two are major hardasses.--Grid 18:08, 25 November 2006 (EST)

Chris Metzen does not voice Thrall

See [1], near the bottom, and other sources. -- Kirkburn (talk) 21:10, 7 October 2006 (EDT)

TV.Com is not an official source. Anyone can edit it. I've heard the WC3 Cinematics DVD mentions Metzen as the voice of Thrall. Which is FAR more official. Can we get confirmation either way?--Aldrius 17:36, 7 October 2006 (EDT)
Nothing accurate on IMDB )-':--K ) (talk) 19:15, 7 October 2006 (EDT)

Info from BC

In BC, we learn more about Thrall, as the horde reconnects with the orcs left in outland. I would post this info on the main page, but i dont have the patience to make it neat and orderly. I can post what ive found here, and hopefully someone with more wiki experiance can post it all nice and pretty-like.

After a long quest chain, thrall returns to outland, to his home in nagrand. We find out that Greatmother Geyah is Thralls Grandmother, although it is not stated on which side. His mother was pregnant with him When they crossed into Azeroth. His given name is Go'el.

It is also revealed that Grom was the first orc to drink Manoroth's blood, and this knowladge is the cause of Garrosh's apathy.

chaztheweird 12:40 23 October 2006 (CST)

Screenshot of Captive Orc

I don't think that screenshot of the orc from the background of the Orc Prologue mission selection screen is Thrall. You see the same orc in grunt gear standing in the Barrens for the Orc Campaign mission selection screen.--Grid 18:14, 25 November 2006 (EST)

Agreed.--Ragestorm 18:27, 25 November 2006 (EST)
I suppose Thrall is greener than that Orc, and Thrall is a little bald.--Malygos 13:21, 4 January 2007 (EST)

He also has blue eyes and long braids.--Zexx 14:47, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Thrall's Orcish Name?

Holy crap this is big news. Where was this information revealed? I was under the impression that he couldn't have one since his parents were killed before his Naming Day, making him yet an unnamed babe. Was he recently given one in honor?--Grid 01:27, 26 November 2006 (EST)

His father had one in mind before they went to Azeroth. You can read about the whole thing here (it's down a ways) -- Maenos 02:54, 26 November 2006 (EST)
okay, am I the only person who thinks its an uncanny resemblance to Kal'el aka Superman? Please tell me. . . -- Erissia
Nope, I've also thought this from the very moment I've read the word "Go'el".--K ) (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
When I first saw the name Superman is the first thing I thought of. :) --Sandwichman2448 20:39, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
Probably worth noting that "Go'el" apparently means "next of kin, and, hence, redeemer" in Hebrew: Mellonicus 18:59, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
So Thrall's gonna avenge his murdered parents? Evenu shalom alekhem \o/. Too bad Kal'el doesn't mean anything :'-( --K ) (talk) 19:16, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

How do you pronounce "Go'el" anyway? Is it "Goal" or "GO-el"Swiftstar 16:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)Swiftstar

I would think the latter. Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thrall's brother?

so i was talking to some NPCs in BC, and i noticed one, Nazgrel, had this to say:

"Still, he is my warchief and my blood-brother."

What makes that really confusing, is Nazgrel is a Mok'Nathal, meaning he could only be thrall's half-brother. Is there some orcish tradition/custom that would make a non relative a blood-brother, or could this be a relative of thrall? --Chaztheweird 02:20, 4 December 2006 (EST)

BC says he's a Mok'Nathol? Cause he was always orc previously.Baggins 02:24, 4 December 2006 (EST)
He sure looks like a Mok'Nathal. Much larger than a normal Orc, about twice the hight of an undead.
He's the same size as an Orc in the current game. Is he still in Gromassh Hold?Baggins 02:38, 4 December 2006 (EST)
While he looks the same as he does in live, he sure looks like a Mok'Nathal in BC. Much larger than a normal Orc, about twice the hight of an undead, almost identical to Rexxar in body shape and size. After reading the wikipedia info on nazgrel and his past, i dont think this means that they are related, but has more of a "borthers in battle" aspect. --Chaztheweird 02:50, 4 December 2006 (EST)
He is in the main building in Thrallmar --Chaztheweird 02:51, 4 December 2006 (EST)
That doesn't make much sense plotwise though, since in Frozen Throne Nazgrel was certainly an orc, and Rexxar says he's the "Last son of the Mok'Nathal" in the story. I'm sure if Nazgrel was Mok'Nathal, Rexxar would have been able to tell. Are you sure this isn't just one of those over sizing of characters to point out that they are an uber bad Boss to fight(for Alliance/PVP)? Like all those weird oversized human bosses, Taelen Fordring for example :p...Baggins 03:01, 4 December 2006 (EST)
Its quite possible, tho it doesn't seem like it. Even thrall is 'normal' height in the game. As far as Rexxar being the last, their is a whole village of Mok'Nathal, so at the very least, Rexxar is not the last, tho he is probably unaware. Blizzard has not been particularly religious at times with regards to lore, this could possibly be a miss-step, intentional or unintentional.
He was the last son of Mok'Nathal on Azeroth, there was nothing said about his status in Outland. I was looking at some pictures of Mok'Nathal of the Mok'Nathal Village, its hard to tell exactly but they don't look any bigger than a normal sized orc, and they all have brownish skin, like the Nagrand orcs.Baggins 03:18, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Nazgrel is not a half-ogre/Mok'Nathal. He was an orc from the moment he was introduced in, in Lord of the Clans. He's not Thrall's biological brother, half or otherwise. Blood-brother to orcs is similar to "brother-in-arms". Thrall had a similar relationship with Hellscream.--Ragestorm 09:55, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Thrall is not normal orc height. He is easily the height of a normal tauren, and about a head taller than my orc hunter. If you want proof I can take screenshots, or simply make an orc alt and run up and compare yourself to him. This is consistent with his portayal in lore, where he is easily the biggest orc out of all his peers, larger than even the late Doomhammer.

As Ragestorm said, blood-brothers are a war bond orcs form between each other when serving in the same unit. Broxigar had a similar relationship to his own peers. A blood-brother is someone who you fight, and therefore bleed with, together.--Grid 12:28, 4 December 2006 (EST)

I'm pretty sure Nazgrel didn't appear in Lord of the Clans. --Austin P 10:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Nazgrel is Thrall's Head of Security. For him to get such a sensitive position, he must be pretty close to Thrall as a friend. As such, really really close friends and comrades are considered Brothers. In a broader sense, all Orcs call each other brothers even if they are not biological brothers, the same way the Communists call each other Comrades even though they may not really be comrades. --Invin Dranoel 12:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

What I believe is that "blood-brother" refers to Nazgrel being from the same clan as Thrall, Frostwolf. PRH 13:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thrall in BC

So, Thrall is the only Hero NPC (not to say Racial Leader) to move to the Outland in BC? So if anyone in the Alliance wants to kill him, he gotta get BC expansion first... Anyone knows if any of the Leaders or other important NPC's from the Alliance moves into the Outland? And is he's coming back some time later to the Orgrimmar, or is he leaving his newfound nation without his guidance and such? --Sul'jin 15:37, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Maybe you're having him confused with Thrallmar or Rexxar? Thrall stays in Orgrimmar. He only visits Outland once to meet his grandmother and show the younger Hellscream that his dad was a badass.--Zexx 15:47, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Oh, so he does go back. That's what I wanted to know actually., thanks. --Sul'jin 15:58, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Being a Mage its kind of funny to see this but there are two Thralls in WoW, one in his Throne Room and the other in Nagrand and yes both are there at the same time, very strange but funny Skorg 02:25, 27 January 2007 (EST)

I'm pretty sure that Onyxia and Tyrande are also in two places at once too... Though Thrall's case might be funnier, since Onyxia's and Tyrande's bilocation is tied to certain world events... -Paulus 06:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


Note: This is 100% speculation.

Thrall is known for being an uncorrupted orc, but strange enough he has green skin, in the upcoming expansion Burning Crusade it was shown orcs with brown skin meaning that they were never corrupted, meaning either he ever drunk the blood of mannoroth or one of his parents done it. His father Durotan never drunked the blood because of opposong to it as for his mother it was shown she was against (possibly she might have felt to the temptation and was forgived by Durotan). In the book Warcraft: Lord of the clans which followed Thrall's life since he was a baby it was never shwo that he actually drank it but Grommash Hellscream during Warcraft III: The Reign of Chaos he sai to Thrall "Can you feel it Thrall? It's just like the old days" indicatin that Thrall drunked the blood (but that is impossible) another theory is that of staying so much time aroud the corrupted orcs he micht have felt the negative energies become to lose his skin from brown to green. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Manuelwow (talkcontr).

I moved this here from the article page. Discuss first before inclusion, please. --  Kirkburn talk contr 15:21, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Well from that sort of speculation ANYTHING is possible, but it is most likely UNTRUE. The skin of all orcs who are in the vicinity of warlock magics turn green. This is why the Frostwolf Clan, who were expressly forbidden to drink the blood of Mannoroth by Durotan, and also Orgrim Doomhammer who also refused received a change in skin color as well. It just happens more slowly than those who drink the blood directly, who receive an immediate change. The latter theory is the most likely one, and the phenomena itself is not a theory, it is true and proven in Rise of the Horde.--Zexx 15:30, 5 January 2007 (EST)

I think this is addressed in the orc article; orcish skin turns green from exposure to warlock magic (whether or not the orc is a practitioner), it's like radiation (and presumed to be hereditary). --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:07, 5 January 2007 (EST)
"Can you feel it Thrall? It's just like the old days" - Remember that this sentence doesn't say exactly that Thrall ever drinked the Blood of Mannoroth. It just implies that Grom felt "like the old days". He might have said that just because he got overexcited with fighting the humans, or, more technically speaking, it could just be a minor mistake made by Blizzard. --Sul'jin 16:10, 5 January 2007 (EST)

I'm more inclined to believe that Grom forgot Thrall wasn't there. Still, Sul'jin is correct- there are no errors, confusions, controversies or retcons here.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:51, 5 January 2007 (EST)

I sadly believe it's Blizzard losing their own plot again...(see "sargeras,draenei&eredar-a tragic comedy in 4 acts" and "The Blue Flight over the years- not a cookbook" for details...)--Maibe 17:40, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Blue flight retcon? What? --  Kirkburn talk contr 17:48, 5 January 2007 (EST)
That's what I meant. The number of blue dragons that were there between the sundering and the battle at Grim Batol. DotD states there was Malygos who believed himself to be all alone. Perhabs there were a few older blues living and hiding as well, I shall look up the quote about it... (it went something along the lines of -some of the elder that still live...-. Then AQ came and suddenly Malygos' heir shows up...I doubt the spellweaver would send his heir away to rsik his life no matter what. And he would know he's alive. Then, even before that, with war of the ancients two things are stated: First, Neltharion/Deathwing killed every blue dragon except for Malygos, as the book states even old dragons had to follow the call to fight. Second, Krasus saved a good 2 dozen of eggs. And then Sunwell Trilogy: Suddenly there is a good handful of blue dragons. Good, the flight after Grim Batol might be explained with the eggs and Alexstrasza's power to bring back some of the dead...but still...--Maibe 04:03, 6 January 2007 (EST)
Which makes it not a retcon, but an advancement (and deepening) of the storyline in my eyes. Blizzard are very concious of saying that all of the info does not deal in absolutes, but is written from different perspectives; i.e. what one person may believe is true, may not entirely be correct (especially when some people go and mess with the timeline ;) --  Kirkburn talk contr 10:04, 6 January 2007 (EST)
  • grin* I know...but...geeses...why can't they finally agree on one timeline and plot ;_;--Maibe 12:36, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Gods gods, would you people quit it? "Can you feel it Thrall? It's just like the old days" means the same thing as if your grandfather took the wrong dosage of medication and said he felt twenty again! If you're starting to see retcons and plot holes in something as insignificant as this, then I suggest you retire from the WarCraft universe.

<and apoligies for any offense taken, not the comments>--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:35, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Regarding the blue dragon thing, there where Blue Dragons since Warcraft III(i.e.: Sapphiron). Saimdusan 04:42, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

I think the Frozen Throne takes places after the War of the Ancients trilogy. Regardless, blue dragons appear in two missions in Reign of Chaos.

In Day of the Dragon and the War of the Ancients they make it pretty clear that Deathwing wiped out every blue. I do see it as a retcon, as I doubt Malygos wouldn't be aware that there were some blues left. Korialstraz confirms this various times, and he seems to be pretty plugged in.

War of the Ancients specifically has Krasus take some of Malygos' eggs and place them in some kind of temporal stasis. Nozdormu knows and approves of it.

Another thing that doesn't really matter and isn't necessarily an inconsistency, but I feel like pointing out is in the Sundering, Krasus claims that even after 10'000 years the Blue Dragonflight's numbers wouldn't be great. Oddly, according to Lands of Mystery, there are over 800 blue dragons in the world. Of course, that probably counts blue dragonspawn and we don't know what the dragon's populations were prior to the WOTA.

Though it makes me wonder even more why the blue dragonflight hasn't struck against the Scourge. Powerful as the Lich King is, I doubt he'd be able to stand up against 500 blue dragons. --Austin P 13:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Frostwryms. Ner'Zhul got plenty of those that will be a great threat against even 500 Blues. --Invin Dranoel 12:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

We don't know how many Frost Wyrms he's got. I imagine they aren't a dime a dozen. --Austin P 14:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

id say Trhall's skin is green becuz Durotan and his mother were around demonic magic on Draenor so maybe the green skin was made part of orcich DNA? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nevore (talkcontr).

Sign your posts with four tildes (Warchiefthrall (talk) 23:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)) and also try not to resurrect old discussions :P Warchiefthrall (talk) 10:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


I added a quote section, could someone please add his aggro quotes? I also forgot(just at the moment) his other greeting: something something, blalaalal what is it you wish? I added this section because it was in Jaina's article and I found it interesting. --Illidan Hellscream 09:27, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

I love quotes, but do we really need to many? Ellethwen 03:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I think there are people who need to get the definition of the word "memorable". --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree, it should probably be a collection of quotes that have been important or inspirational perhaps even. To list the entire arsenal of ingame voice clips is perhaps more suited to the instance in which the events take place. --Sander 17:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Sand and Rage. Only the memorable quotes should be there. There's no need to list just about all the stuff he says in Caverns of Time. Warchiefthrall 21:57, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Alternatively, split the quotes to another page, keep one or two of the most memorable. Like what I did with Medivh. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 22:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds better lol :D Warchiefthrall 23:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Just like to say that I think the quotes section is getting waaaay out of hand. We simply don't need so many. Warchiefthrall 19:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I think we should remove the Caverns of Time quotes, and a good chunk of the "quotes in lore". I don't care how eloquently Thrall spoke; I just want to know the REALLY MEMORABLE stuff. I can start playing the game again if I want to hear all those quotes. Or re-read Lord of the Clans. Ellethwen 02:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
A separate page, like with Medivh could work. Kirkburn  talk  contr 18:33, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Before we start creating a new page, what should be the "memorable" qoute to stay in the article? Warchiefthrall 22:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh god, someone put in a list of his Battle of Mount Hyjal quotes :) Warchiefthrall 22:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

image in info box

please do not delete the imagine in the info box without 1) talking about it here, 2) replacing it with something else User:ReskarRESKAR(Contr)

The name.

The last thing I want is to get cauhg tin some sort of edit war, particularly since the basis behind this little edit exchange confuses me. Why would we put "Warchief of the Horde" after Thrall's name if it's in the infobox? It seems rather redundant. We had the whole "Chieftain of the Warsong clan" on Grom Hellscream, yet that was removed and not reverted for the same reasons as I removed "Warchief". What's the deal? Ellethwen 21:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, if Warcheif of the Horde is on his "occupation" I don't see why it has to be put by his name. I agree it looks redundant.Baggins

Can we at least put something like "Lord of the Clans" under his name? It's just his full title is Thrall, Son of Durotan, Warchief of the Horde, at the very end of Lord of the Clans and the fact that he is a major character makes his tilte in the info box a little plain. Warchiefthrall 23:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that was at the end of Lord of the Clans, but after that, everyone just calls him "Thrall, Son of Durotan". There are no extra titles or the like. Which is why I'm reserved about adding more. Ellethwen 18:15, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, ok I'm just saying that for such a major character in Warcraft lore it is a rather plain title and not his full one. But I know that if I edit it again I'll just get a good old slap so I won't bother :) Also, the character info box for Rexxar is "Last son of the Mok'Nathal, Champion of the Horde, but when do you hear him being called Last son of the Mok'nathal. Look, my point is that Thrall, Son of Durotan, Warchief of the Horde is his official title, as well as his occuptaion. Ok I've talked too much and I'm dangerously close to getting punched in the face so I'll shut up now :) Warchiefthrall 23:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, he introduces himself as the last son of the Mok'nathal. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure pretty sure Thrall has identified himself at some point as the Warchief of the Horde. Warchiefthrall 23:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I've never looke at the Rexxar page before; I was not aware of that. Anyways, why should we add the extra title just because it "looks plain"? He may have identified himself as that at so point, but that doesn't exactly make it his name. I like Thrall too, and he is an important character, but he doesn't go around saying "I'm Thrall, Son of Durotan, Warchief of the Horde!". Ellethwen 21:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure he does say that a one point in W3. I just think that his title should be in the info box. Warchiefthrall 23:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thrall introduces himself as such to Tyrande and Furion in "The Last Guardian"- I am Thrall, son of Durotan, Warchief of the Horde. Personally, I don't care either way, but I hasten to point out that the very important Tyrande only says "Priestess of the Moon" in her infobox, so please don't give me any "it looks plain" bull. And sign your posts please. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Two things: I was the one who out the "Priestess of the Moon" part on Tyrande, as before there was nothing else apart from her name. There's little else I can put to make it more interesting. Secondly: I don't know how to sign my post. Warchiefthrall 23:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. Four tildes ~~~~ will automatically convert into your name and the time stamp. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem Ragestorm :)

I think I may change the name again, if it's ok with Ellethwen. Would like to run it by the experts first :) Warchiefthrall 23:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, whatever, go ahead and put it htere. I don't consider myself an expert, I just noticed that the "Chieftain of the Warsong Clan" thing had been removed on rom but with no reverting here-personally, I think it makes his name ridiculously long, but it's not something I care about too much. Ellethwen 00:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Thrall speaks Common

Since Thrall was raised in Durnholde by a human, doesnt that mean he'd speak English (common in WoW, and Warcraft I, II, and III). And it says one day when Thrall "playing" as the wild orc so Seargeant's men could practice subduing an escaped orc, an orc that was captured thought they really were attacking him. He warned Thrall in orcish. Thrall didnt know much orcish so he didnt understand. The other language wpuld have to be English since they wouldnt be teaching him Taurahe or Thalassian in Durnholde. Then why cant Thrall speak English when Alliance people raid Orgrimarr. Its not like he could forget English even though he does know orcish. Mr.X8 00:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Who says he forgot it? Maybe he's just not talking to you. Pzychotix (talk · contr) 05:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Refer to it as Common. Think critically: if you're raiding his friggin' capital, and you're just some random person raiding it, what purpose at all does Thrall have to speak to you at all, beyond the prerequisite "Lok'Tar Ogar!"? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe he could tell you go away, or face my wrath, or something to scare you off, unless his hatred toward humans (and possibly their allies) is so great, he doesnt want them to leave, he wants to kill them. Mr.X8 16:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Why would he lower himself far enough to speak the disgusting tounge of the hated pinkskins? ...unless he was on a date with Jaina.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 17:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

You've grabbed the wrong end of an entirely different stick (And displayed a lack of understanding of Thrall). By the time an Alliance raid got close enough to him at all, they'd have killed enough Horde members to render themselves unworthy of any particular warning, and the warcries just sound better in Orcish. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
In anycase your pretty much argueing over a gameplay mechanic. There are plenty of Alliance members allowed to speak to him directly in Lore. Even Brann has had the honor of being in his company in WoW era. In actual lore the world isn't set up in such a black and white, horde vs. alliance, kill on site, kind of mentality. In lore most of the Alliance wants to prevent all out war, and so do the Horde. So diplomats and merchants are quite commonly seen in both faction's cities in the information and stories.Baggins 03:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, because Thrall doesn't like talking to people who prance into his Capital uninvited. Easy. --Invin Dranoel 12:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, bear in mind, a lot if not all of his subjects would talk orcish and the use of common would be entirely useless when trying to give orders to his guards etc.

Interesting comments by Metzen

Metzen discusses how he personally views orcs as noble, and loves the theme, but most people at Blizzard view their orcs as evil gankers, and bad asses. Not wishy washy, poetry readers. He sees Thrall as a messiah character, to find racial idenity and their powers again, so they don't have to be monsters. He then says there is a need for an anti-thrall character, a human character, someone that can perceive them for the threat they could be. He then brings up an interesting scenario; What if Thrall didn't exist? He thinks it would be catastrophic. Does all the orcs really by into all this peace and stuff? ...or is it just the power of thrall, magnitude of him, and the faith of him as a leader that keep them all civil. But if anything were to happen to thrall, heaven forbid, it could be horrific. He says its something that makes him lay awake at night and go "Ya!!". It could be pretty rad. He knows most people see orcs as "evil" he wants to account for the people who enjoy orcs of that type as well. He has to find balance between both views, allowing it to be viewed from many pov, as being pro-horde, pro-alliance or neither depending on the individual reading it, creating a kind of balance.-Metzen[2]

-Baggins 09:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Brann, in HPG, states that many orcs are noble and shamanistic just because Thrall is. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, are you [i]seriously[/i] going to believe a word Brann Bronzebeard says? He is one of the most biased writers in lore, and he is terrible at getting his facts straight. He seems to think the Frostwolf Clan are [i]trolls[/i], and they are clearly orcs. And the orcs were once shamans before the Blood of Mannoroth incident, and they have since broken free when Grom killed Mannoroth. Many orcs in Orgrimmar worship Thrall, and view him as their true leader, right after Orgrim Doomhammer, even if they are more brutish. The only "evil" orcs I see as truly evil are the Shadow Council, the Dark Horde, the Fel Horde, and the Burning Blade cult, the first and last incorporating not only orcs but humans, forsaken, and Highborne as well. --Eman91
He thinks they're trolls? News to me. Brann is a creation of the lore writers, and we know he's created as slightly Alliance biased. Many orcs grew up being "monsters", so it wouldn't be a case of returning to "normal". Kirkburn  talk  contr 18:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Interesting, wonders if Metzen was hinting at something through the RPG there. I wonder if this will play into the upcoming DC comic arc. Metzen makes hints that it might, that the "anti-thrall" (anti-messianic) human character in the story might learn about the more darker parts of the Horde while he's living with them, much like Thrall grew up in the darker part of the Alliance, and become a danger to their peace and stability, and a dangerous heroic foe when he rejoins the Alliance.Baggins 15:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry this is just my opinion: hasn't the lore been mangled enough because of WoW and the RPG? do we really need yet another medium? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 15:42, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
LOL, not like we haven't had this medium before, manga is form of graphic novel/comic-style itself.... In anycase Metzen implies that the comics are canon (that both game staff and the comic authors are working together to have the material have crossovers in the game and the comic), and that the novels are mostly canon (one of the first times I've seen him use a term other than "lore", although he was answering someone who had used the term "canon"), with certain details, that Blizzard "plays by ear" about as far as if the info will be referenced in the MMO or other resources. He also seemed to shy away from answering the question in too much detail (to avoid offending anyone, I guess, or giving out too much backstage information).
It doesn't appear to mean too much though, as he says he tries to make sure the different mediums stick together as best as possible, regardless, and he has been wanting tell stories in the comic book medium for years.
My only complaint? Its more money I have to shell out :p.... Additionally there were some references to TCG just being another medium for presenting tidbits of "lore" and introducing new characters, items and events. There was talk that perhaps Leeroy Jenkins might make it into comic or other stories someday.Baggins 15:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

They're branching out into comics now, eh? Any information on what it'll be about, when it'll take place and how long it'll be? --Austin P 16:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I really hope this comic doesn't instigate yet another war between the Horde and the Alliance. C'mon feel sorry for the Orcs. After they joined forces with the Alliance and kicked the Burning Legion's ass, everyone could have lived happily ever after then Proudmoore has to come and mess everything up by trying to wipe out them out. After they've kicked his ass that stupid demon guy Zmoldor decided now was a good time to start ANOTHER war. After a brief skirmish and after Thrall splits a guys brain open it ends. But I don't like the idea of this anti-thrall character. Something gives me the feeling that he's just gonna start another boring war, when both factions should be concentrating on the Scourge. Yup, everythings gonna go very pear-shaped soon. Warchiefthrall 23:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

What would make the anti-Thrall different from all the other people who want the Horde wiped out? Would it be because he sees the darkness in the Horde now, as opposed to their actions in the past? --Austin P 13:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Someone who wants to destroy the modern orcs for past actions is far less dangerous to the Horde than someone who observes their darkest side today. No matter how many humans or draenei dislike the orcs, you'll always have people like Jaina or Velen who see the good in them, and remind people that their actions were in the past. However, if a charismatic human has seen the dark side of the Horde today, and decides to revive old hatred then Jaina's pleas might fall upon deaf ears again, because he's talking about the now, whereas most Hordehaters are talking about the then.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok. My points are terrible. I really can't debate. I just think that another war between the Horde and Alliance would just get tedious, as we've seen it all before. Warchiefthrall

No, I understand what you're saying. The Alliance and Horde can't just be bosom buddies, but another war may end up feeling overdone. --Austin P 13:36, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
The PVP based war going on in WoW is already overdone and has really limited the scale that can be seen in the game... Its one dimensional, and really limits the ways stories can be told in the game... In some cases it makes little sense. For example the few times where in game both sides are supposed to be siding with each other to help a single war effort, the players end up breaking down and fighting each other. Where it would have been kind of interesting for those events if both sides were flagged as neutral non-attackable in the area of the event, so they couldn't start killing each other, and instead work on helping each other for the event (then go back to enemy status once the event was over).
Its kind of obvious that this PVP based war mentality is starting to bleed over into the written lore too, judging by remarks by Metzen and others...Baggins 18:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Course the orcs would be different without Thrall. Imagine the humans without Lothar or other important leaders. In the beggining they were barbaric and tribal like everyone else. One thing people forget,is that Thrall didn't change the Horde from scratch,he helped regained what the Burning Legion had stolen from them. In the unlikely case of his death(he's stiill young and healthy). He has five possible heirs,I can think of. Nazgrel-Though a close friend,he doesn't seem to be leadership material. He isn't good with Diplomacy leaving it to Thrall. Drek'thar-Shares Thrall's vision,knew his father,and seen in Frozen Throne doesn't like to fight with Alliance. The problem is that he's too old to lead the Horde, Garrosh Hellscream-One of the original Orcs,seemed to be moving up in the importance ladder,made new allies already in the tuskarr,shares Thrall vision. The most likely of the heirs. Baine Bloodhoof-seemss to be gearing to lead the tauren but the entire Horde? Vol'jin-We just don't know enough about the guy. Zarnks 18:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I think there should be an instance or area where Horde and Alliance can group and get a special translator to speak with each other.. Zarnks 18:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

"judging by remarks by Metzen and others"

Like what? Austin P 01:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Read my first post in this discussion where I quote/paraphrase Metzen, :p You know the "evil ganker" comments, etc, :p.Baggins 01:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but you also said there were comments by others. Austin P 11:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I read the comments that Wrath of the Lich King will place a good amount of focus on the hostilities between the Horde and the Alliance.

I don't play World of Warcraft, so I'm biased, but it seems like after things like the Dark Portal opening and the Agn'Qiraj gates, it'd be nice to see the two factions getting along a little better, or at least show a little more respect for each other. And you know, it's Northrend, and if any region calls for a true, it's there. Austin P 01:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Austin you'd have to listen to the original sound file. I don't know all who were talking in the panel, and Metzen was speaking of others himself. He didn't mention who the others were.Baggins 04:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Warcraft 3 image

Hi, I'm just thinking of something. On each case of Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos, there is an image of a hero character for each of the four races. For the humans theres Arthas, the Night Elves Tyrande, the Undead Kel"thuzad. For the Orcs, I'm pretty sure that it's Thralls image. So, I'm just wondering, would that maybe be a better image for Thrall than the one that's currently in the info box? Warchiefthrall

No, that's not Thrall but Grom Hellscream N'Nanz 12:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Hence the reason for the confusion. Even if it were Thrall (which it still might be), the cinematic model is preferred- out of all possible representations, the cinematic version is the most lifelike. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok guys thanks for the clarrificaion :) Warchiefthrall 14:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Jaina and Thrall's Friendship

Though this may not have any base to it, maybe the reason Jaina is friends with Thrall is because of how he acts compared to Arthas. Though it may not seem like it, at the beginning of WC3 Arthas was a kind person if you payed attention to his side quest and his dialog with a small child from a town that was pillaged by orcs. Possibly Jaina likes Thrall because he acts like how Arthas did before the 3rd war, kind and noble. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rannulf (talkcontr).

Isn't it natural to like someone who's kind and noble? --Austin P 05:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, trust me. There are plenty of pessimists who hate that kind of person because they're what they aren't. --Super Bhaal 05:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

That's true. I mean I hate Ragestorm alot, because his knowledge of Warcraft lore is greater than mine. Great reason to hate him ;) Warchiefthrall 18:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh lawd, is dat sum drama?!

All you have to do is keep telling yourself in your head that you know more than Rage does, and that you're better and more attractive...develop a delusion of grandeur. Works for me when I run into someone prettier than I am, but I was talking about the kind of envious turd who'd run around going, "OH. OH. THAT WOMAN. SHE HAS A BETTER JOB THAN I DO. AND SHE'S A WOMAN. THAT'S NOT RIGHT", or "Oh, look at that guy, acting all nice to that homeless guy! Don't you hate people who act nice?", but you probably already knew that. Back on topic, I think in Thrall's case I think it's Jaina's resemblance to Taretha Foxton and her ability to forget the past; with Jaina it's probably Thrall's ability to look past Blackmoore's actions and to judge people of other races by the individual. --Super Bhaal 19:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, don't worry. Ragestorm makes a lot of mistakes when it comes to the novels, so there's still hope for you. ;}--Austin P 01:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I would like to remind everyone present that I can still ban them. ;-D --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
No, no...those tips were meant for anybody who wanted to pursue a delusion of grandeur regardless of pet peeve. As long as you aren't prettier than I am I don't see why I should have delusions against you.

Now that I've derailed this discussion enough with my awesome advice, why don't we get back on track? Like, pointing out how accurate or inaccurate those observations I made were? Pointing out neat little parts of Thrall's story that liken him to Arthas before he lost his marbles? I'm not seeing any similarities: I thought of Arthas as being a "nice guy with a couple of anger management issues", like Hercules, and Thrall I found to be unique. Only person close to him was the Terminator, and that was because he didn't understand what tears were right off the bat. --Super Bhaal 05:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Let me try to explain.

Arthas and Jania were good friends before the third war, almost lovers. Arthas was a gental idealist looking out for his people and just doing what he feels is right. He was an holy knight, defender of the people, natural leader (how else could he get people to follow him as they did) and a honorable man. Once he went evil and left Jaina she moved on to try to save her people. She met Thrall

Thrall (in my eyes atleast) is alot like Arthas (pally version of course). They are both looking out for the best intrest of their people. Considering Thrall's past as a slave and a target dummy for alliance trainies, he grew up as a kind and noble orc, as well as a natural leader.

Well anyway they both worked together first to free Grom and then to help save the world. Well notice that alot of alliance and horde work together during this time, but they are still at each other throats, why not Jania and Thrall? Because they remind each other of someone they cared about. In basicly no time at all they formed a bond and it holds.

I know this is kinda weak, but it's just a theory. Rannulf 06:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Seems right on the mark to me. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

In fact, they were about to kill each other once. BUT they did not kill each other the moment they met each other is because Medivh appeared (In a very Dramatic Fasion) and specificly told them not to. If it wasn't for Medivh, they would have killed each other on sight. And since both trust Medivh (Thrall got his spirits tellin him to, Jaina knows Medivh speaks the truth.) They worked together on his request. Only when working together to create the trinket to capture Grom's soul did they realise each other to be well, nice. --Invin Dranoel 12:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I kinda have to stand down after all that. Not wimping out just getting a reality check. Blizz probaly never tried to make a connection between Arthas and Thrall, though I still see one, doesn't mean that there actually is one. One of the sad things about talking about lore is that it's what the writers and developers want it to be.

I still hold to that early Arthas and Thrall are alike in the ways I mentioned, though it probaly didn't affect her choice to befriend him. Rannulf 03:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

To be honest Arthas appeared to me like a power hungry arrogant man in war3 (before his corruption)>I can't deny he was caring for his people but he was too power hungry.Play the war3 first campaign and click on Arthas more times....he'll say something with I should be in Command.Anyway as for why people followed him well that's simple:He was Lordaeron's prince ,he's father was a beloved leader ,so it wasn't just his charming and strong leadership that got him so many followers.So i persoanlly don't see any similarity with Thrall other then the fact they both have great power at their disposal and that they were leaders of their people.Although Thrall was more deserving i think(Marakanis)


Since when are we posting strategies of any kind in character biographies? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, the strategy bit is far too small to make up its own page. Tyrande, Thrall, Jaina, etc, are all boss mobs in WoW, but are very basic fights so only require a paragraph of info. Kirkburn talk contr 19:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Rant withdrawn. -_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone created a tactics page for Cairne Bloodhoof. We might need to delete that page and combine it with the Cairne Bloodhoof article. I agree with Ragestorm on the Thrall thing. Personally I don't agree that this the (tactics) material should be in the page to begin with. We have background facts about Thrall and all of a sudden we see someones opinion piece on how to kill him. We have to remember that this is a biography page, not a tactics page. I guess this would be up for discussion. -Extremedeath

I agree that is really anoying to just see this kind of thing on the characters' pages, it also happens on many small towns pages as well. on my opinion pvp kills the lore, but that's just a opinion. although, why we can't jsut create a page with the strategy for all faction bosses on the world and keep only the interesting, userful and lore related content? Azahel (talk) 18:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


There used to be a part about someone asing what armor he was wearing, his pants use the golem shard leggings. Mr.X8 17:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

He wears the black armor of Orgrim Doomhammer as told by Drek'Thar when the former warchief died. --N'Nanz 17:46, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, so that means the golem shard leggings are based of Ogrim's armor, not the other way around. Mr.X8 00:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It's probably the only certain bit of lore in Warcraft. It's not even been retconned. Thrall wears the Doomhammer Plate.

regards Warchiefthrall 16:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Name of Thrall's Mount?

We know the name of Tyrande's Winter Saber, but does anyone know the name of Thrall's Black Wolf mount? I dont play World of Warcraft so I dont know if Thrall's mount appears in game but im just curious to know if the name of Trall's mount appears in any lore.

I haven't read Antonidas' page but I dont think his horse has a name either, which is a rather odd plot hole if you ask me along with Thrall's Wolf.


Jake Command Wolf

It was Snow-something or was in Lord of the Clans. And no, Thrall doesn't have his mount in WoW, nor does Tyrande have hers. I'd like to add that the wolf chose him. All the Frostwolves are chosen by their wolves. Thrall's was only a cub when she accepted him as her master, and the chapter in which that happened was so cute my head exploded candy. --Super Bhaal 01:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

It's rather confusing to a certain degree. In Lord of the Clans, a white wolf chose him as it's companion. He named it Snowsong. Yet, in Warcraft III, Thrall rides a black wolf and it's given no name. But in WoW, after you do a very long quest chain, Thrall comes to Outland riding a white Frostwolf that could be Snowsong.

Hope that helps :) Warchiefthrall 19:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I guess having a white companion probably didn't fit in with the design of WC3. Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Could have been something they overlooked, or it could be that the fur changed color over time ( or got dyed ). --Super Bhaal 21:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Odds are, they just didn't want to create a unique skin for war3. :) --Sky (talk | con | wh) 21:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
They did, though - the generic WC3 far seers have white wolves. They probably just felt it would look better if it matched Thrall's armor. Egrem 23:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually in RL a wolf's fur changes color with where it lives and the time of year. A wolf's fur that is pure white may infact be brown or black in the summer. Since Snowsong has spent so much time along side Thrall in warm climate areas like Lordearon and the Barrens, its more than likly that her fur has simply changed so she did not stick out like a sore thumb. ^_^


Jake Command Wolf

And we've just been shown that nature wins. XD Thanks for the information, I'll keep it in mind :-) Ellethwen 04:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Who Made Him War Chief??

I admit I have not read Lord Of The Clans (all though I played a custom campaign strongly based on it. I NEVER GOT PASSED THE LEVEL YOU MEAT DREK THAR due to a fucking glitch. (and the fact that allyourbasearebelongtous does not work)). I just don't get what right does he have to assume war chief. WHO GAVE HIM THE TITLE???. Sure he is the son of Duratan, BUT HE WAS FUCKING AMBUSHED AND THE BABY WAS LEFT FOR DEAD.--The last Alterac 09:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Ogrim did. Thrall was Ogrim's second in command during the liberation of the camps, and when he was mortally wounded during the liberation of the camp that would later become Hammerfall, he passed leadership of the horde over to Thrall, as he considered Thrall to be the most worthy person there was for the title, which is true; he had expert combat and stratagy training, was the most powerful shaman ever seen, and was an all around good person. Only other semi-viable option would be Hellscream, who never really wanted to rise above his position as chieftain of his clan, anyway.Tweak the Whacked 10:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

That post was a little too long. YOU PHAIL.--The last Alterac 09:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

If you keep yelling (all caps), you will fail, and be blocked from posting :p.Baggins 09:22, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Just block him straight away. The initial lines alone are enough to show he's just here for trolling and uselessness...--Maibe 11:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Trolling??? What is that. I am here to post theories in the Talk sections (About the uselessness I dont feel like posting in the actual pages because there is a large chance that I will get flamed and or get something wrong due to the fact that I have not read any of the Novels.) --The last Alterac 06:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Your first response may have passed as innocent enough, but i think almost anyone would find it hard to believe you weren't trolling after your second response: "That post was a little too long. YOU PHAIL" And i honestly don't mean to sound like an elitist a-hole but i recommend you at least know the basics about a character or topic before making any claims or theories if you want to be taken seriosuly. Warthok Talk Contribs 07:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

If he'll really do that, we won't hear from him for a long time...I checked his other contributions, appears he needs to (re)read and play the whole bunch of books and games to get some basic knowlege about Warcraft...:/ --Maibe 12:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

closest weapon to doomhammer

does anyone know what the closest weapon as far as appearance to doomhammer is in the game right now? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geeko (talkcontr).

I'm pretty sure it's unique dude. The mace i know closest to it would be a rock based one. Gorvar (talkcontr).

Rename article to Thrall of Durnholde?

UNLIKE all my other edits, this is a sugestion (FInnaly using what a talk page is for). Although this is pretty trivial. Untill the Death of Blackmoore (according to the custom campaign I played which followed the book pretty well (LOTC)), Thrall decided to keep the place he came from in his name (for the sake of reminding him of his oppresion). There are three reasons for dissagreeing with me. 1. My source was wrong. 2. Thrall changed his name by taking out two words after the death of Blackmoore (that I am unsure of). 3.This is too trivial The only reason I can come up with to support me is that, all the other charecters had pages that had the charecter's name in full.(Please don't flame I am trying to make this an intelligent edit (Which I only started doing those at 2008's beggining) --The last Alterac 13:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna go with option A: your source is wrong. In no official works has Thrall ever named himself after Durnholde Keep. Nor, I think, would he want to: it's not a history he would be proud of, nor one he likely remembers fondly. It's also not in keeping with traditional orcish titles, which make reference to either the orc's patronage (Thrall, son of Durotan) or a family or clan legacy (Orgrim Doomhammer). -- Dark T Zeratul 15:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks User:Dark T Zeratul for the correction. --The last Alterac 11:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


I'm curious where it's stated that Thrall is a Blademaster. I'll admit, I'm not familiar with anything outside of the actual games and some assorted lore, but that seems like something I would have heard before. Daikorg (talk) 09:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

In the RPG books, he's listed as having levels in the gladiator prestige class. "Blademaster" was just the name Horde characters with levels in the gladiator class used. I think the levels in gladiator were supposed to reflect his time as Blackmoore's cash cow at Durnholde. It might have been better for the stat block to just say "gladiator", but since Thrall was all about "finding his roots" pre-Third War it suits him. --Super Bhaal (talk) 10:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Armor Model

Are there any armor pieces in-game that share the model with the armor that Thralls wears in game? Dunnsworth (talk) 23:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I think his is a unique model, although I'm not entirely sure. I don't think it's likely that others have the same armor model as him. Warchiefthrall (talk) 09:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm very sure it's a unique armor set since i've enver came across it on Ah or any instance.Gorvar (talkcontr).

Infobox image

Of all images that exist of Thrall the one that is in the infobox is most unappropriate in my opinion - there are grid lines in the background, Thrall is with an unknown axe, not with the Doomhammer, and the quality is lower than that of the beautiful arwork of Samwise, Metzen or the recent Glenn Rane's (which I propose for replace of the current one in the box).Dakovski (talk) 10:52, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm convinced, as far as the image in the infobox goes. I think the cover of Lord of the Clans would be most approppriate. I say we wait and get a few more opinions before changing it though.Warthok Talk Contribs 10:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree the image in the infobox at the moment should definitely be changed, although I'm not entirely sure what should replace it. The Metzen one is pretty good, but the latest one by Glenn Rane is even better, so I'd opt for that one at the moment. Warchiefthrall (talk) 11:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

This image was selected because it is a cinematic image. However, as many other characters for whom we have cinematic depictions are using artwork, and because you've actually suggested viable alternatives, we can go ahead and discuss it. My only problem with the two suggestions here (which the current image might also fail at) is that infobox images should be relatively close and clearly show the face of the character. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

The Metzen one seems to do that fine. Warchiefthrall (talk) 17:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree.Warthok Talk Contribs 01:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I'd rather have artwork than model art anyday.Baggins (talk) 01:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I've switched it to one of the color ones, with a closeup. But I'm not against using the Samwise, Metzen, or Glenn Rane ones either. Maybe a little less for Metzen's though.Baggins (talk) 01:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

The new image is fine now. Good choice Baggins :D Warchiefthrall (talk) 22:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Thrall's Class

Thrall has been shown as a far seer and gladiator and a great deal of other things, but why has he never been show as a spirit champion? A cross between shaman and warrior, because he has been show as both the former things. The_Lore_Nerd (talk) 22:05, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

It would make sense, but ultimately it's up to Blizzard to decide whether to implement such a thing or not. Inv misc orb 04.pngXavius, the Satyr Lord 18:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Special Model

Why wasn't Thrall, Jaina, Garrosh and Rhonin given the unique look that they had in the trailer for the Ulduar patch when the patch was actually implemented? Varian had his swords changed to dual wielding the one he had, but as for the four other prominent figures, why were they left unchanged? As far as I'm concerned, Varian doesn't need anything new except a grave. -Mykael Mourningsun

And were not concerned with your opinion of Varian. This talk page is to discuss changes to the article, this isn't a forum. Though this is.Warthok Talk Contribs 08:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
However, this is not a topic to be used in the forums. User:Coobra/Sig4 19:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Part of History needing a rewrite?

Hello. I asked this same sort of question on the Darion Morgraine page and I think it needs to be addressed here as well. Up to the "Prior to the Lich King's Invasion" sub-heading, the entirety of the history section has been written in the past tense. But at this said point it suddenly changes, and is written in the present tense. I understand that this is because these are events that have just recently taken place in Wrath of the Lich King, but surely in order to remain consistent with the rest of the article these parts should be written in the same tense? I don't think the article flows well if it abruptly stops and the writing style suddenly goes off in another direction, as I think is the case here. Thoughts?

Cheers, Warchiefthrall (talk) 21:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it should be changed to past tense. And I also suggest that we delete this: "In a repeating World Event beginning November 10th 2008, 3 days before Wrath of the Lich King's release". I suggest this because is a biography section, we don't need gameplay or technical information, that info should be changed to a reference. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 21:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed completely. Warchiefthrall (talk) 21:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Cataclysm activity?

Blizzard hasn't confirmed that he handed over power to Garrosh and has become a Guardian of Tirisfal. Shouldn't we put a tag to that section claiming that it isn't confirmed? Our only source is MMO-Champion who, although was right for the most part, still has more things they claimed about the expansion to be confirmed by Blizzard. D Long ownz U (talk) 23:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I support the idea, at the very least we should put a note saying that Blizzard hasn't confirmed this. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 23:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
There's some implication that Garrosh is now in charge, but I would remove it entirely until Blizzard says something. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Or how about un-sourced rumors not even be put up? --WarlockSoL (talk) 01:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Anything not explicitly said at BlizzCon shold be removed.--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 02:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

A interview at Blizzcon during the livestream used Thrall in the past tense when saying that Garrosh leads the Horde differently than Thrall did. Leviathon (talk) 02:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Inferences not allowed. Explicit statement, or don't include it. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 03:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Too bad there is no way to get ahold of that interview but maybe someone will get that question in during tomorrows Q&A. Leviathon (talk) 04:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
That's my policy: process any new information on talk pages, forums, and IRC during BlizzCon, then take time immediately after to actually update. The first time around, I recall a massive speculatory section that was completely uncalled for within a few hours.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I talked to Maticus of a bit and asked her to ask that question during 1 of her interviews tomorrow. Hopefully it is somethnig that Blizzard will actually comment on. Leviathon (talk) 04:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

During the Q&A panel someone asked if the bit was true and we got a pretty vague answer to it from Metzen. "There's a lot going on there, and I don't want to spoil things but... come on. With the world in the state its in, what do you really think the world's greatest Shaman would need to do? I'll leave it at that." Leviathon (talk) 18:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Not explicit enough to suggest that he's the new Guardian, but more than safe enough for a speculatory line if we desperately feel the need. Thrall clearly has an important role to play, perhaps not as the Guardian per se, but certainly hinting at Guardian-like interference. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:36, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
IMO, that doesn't mean anything. That could mean that "where is his place?" = helping his people cope with all the destruction and rebuild, and probably go out and kick some ass as well. There is nothing in that statement that even hints at him being a Guardian.--WarlockSoL (talk) 21:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, I think the question was about the Guardian, so I think that colors the response a bit- but yes, this statement is nothing resembling a confirmation of the theory. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone asked about Thrall in a brief interview with Tom Chilton on the DirectTV feed. He said that "(Thrall is basically the greatest shaman in the world. Since the world is breaking apart, and it's a shaman's job to basically keep the world together... You can probably figure out what Thrall might be doing.)" -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Added quotations. Just wanted it to be clear.Warthok Talk Contribs 00:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Just to clarify, that's not an exact word-for-word quote. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Right, just didn't want it to look like everything after 'greatest shaman in the world.' were your own thoughts.Warthok Talk Contribs 01:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It has been confirmed that Garrosh takes over the Horde in PC Gamer. He has re-designed Orgrimmar and has evicted everyone but the tauren and orcs from the center of the city due to him believing only those two races are strong enough to defend it. [3] Leviathon (talk) 05:35, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Many things point towards him staying as Warchief. Why would he leave, he can rule the Orcs fine. Who would take over, many Orcs prefer battle to politics. BobNamataki (talk) 11:57, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Aggra being in the relative profile template?

Just asking if anyone has a source confirming Aggra being mated to Thrall or something? Dont have the Shattering on me (yet) so I dont want to risk it if it's a hoax. Gorvar (talk) 14:04, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

It's mentioned in the Blizzcon Quests and Lore Panel by Metzen himself they are mated and are going to have kids so.....yeh, pretty canon I think?


3:54 pm Question on Thrall. "Are Thrall and Jaina ever going to get together?" More cheering and clapping.

Metzen: "Think Jaina has some green fever going on?" He doesn't want to spoil anything but he really thinks Golden's "The Shattering" really covers this -- he decides to spoil it, Thrall's going to meet "a nice orc in Nagrand" and have some kids. Question, disappointed says, "He's not Jaina!"

Then Metzen: "What happens to the men that Jaina dates?" Big laugh from the crowd. "THRALL HAS TO LIVE!" So let's put that matter to bed -- "Oh, that's a funny choice of words."

Gorvar (talk) 23:09, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thrall as the new Aspect of Earth?

During the WOW Quest & Lore Panel at Blizzcon 2010 Metzen said "And dammit, I like talking about guys like Thrall. He's the most important person on Azeroth." Shortly after the following question was done:

3:36 pm "Are there plans to take out some of the more benevolent challenges?" Would we ever be in the position of taking down, say, Alexstrasza?

Metzen: Aspect of Life can't be "punked" down. Over the course of Cataclysm, Deathwing is the big bad, but patches will introduce story development and the dragon family will have to get involved. "Greatest and most terrible hour." They will perform the function for which they were created. They built and love these characters. How do you defeat the undefeatable? How will the dragon family -- "And Thrall" -- pull this off?

Metzen What Aspect is missing from the family? Deathwing, the big black dragon, the Earth Aspect is out. The family is "broken." Missing the Earth Aspect. And Thrall is a shaman ... and he might distinguish himself in some fashion.

Source: --Gbergalli (talk) 14:45, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think that Metzen was referring to Thrall speaking for the earth element and reuniting the Aspects for the final battle against Deathwing; it seems very unlikely that he could become an Aspect himself, like ascending to immortality and stuff, but I might be proven wrong. It could also be some kind of humor by Metzen which I didn't get.--Atlon (talk)

Thrall's Vandalism

I am somewhat new to Wiki's, so pardon me if this is completely wrong or immpossible. But is there a way to set it up so that these people who keep putting Thrall as a homosexual or as having Grom as a mate, or whatever, is there a way to set it up so that it's not possible to put that in the wiki anymore? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by {{{1}}} (talk • contr).

It's possible to protect the page so that certain user levels can't move or edit the page. The user levels are:
  1. New and Unregistered users, those who are not logged in or whose accounts are recently created (within the past 3 or 4 days)
  2. Registered users, those who are logged in and whose accounts are older than 3 or 4 days;
  3. Admins, which includes sysops, bureaucrats, and Wikia staff.
However, I don't think that it's appropriate to protect the page at this time, with it needing work, since it would hinder legitimate editing. --Kris talk 18:15, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hero of the Mag'har

Is Thrall still able to appear at Garadar via the Hero of the Mag'har quest chain even though he is no longer in Orgrimmar? 'Cuz I really wanna see that end cutscene. Rangerkid51 18:43, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thrall still Horde member?

Though I edited the Shaman page to reflect Thrall's "changed" faction to Earthen Ring without thinking twice, I also switched him to "Neutral" with a bit of reluctance. As he's helping with the Maelstrom, he's not exactly fighting with any member of the Alliance, he seems to have better things to do with his time now than to worry about the war between the two main factions, and he seems as though he's in no hurry to go back to being pure Horde (though, again, he doesn't have the time to really think about that, with wanting to kill Deathwing and all).

So my question is this: could there be a possibility that Thrall could be considered no longer Horde, at least within the Cataclysm expansion? Though he might've not officially declared himself neutral, something tells me he's not going back once Deathwing is dead. It might depend on what he thinks of Garrosh Hellscream's rule.

So yeah, is he still Horde or what? Darkpowrjd (talk) 08:50, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Until Blizzard says anything officially, it isn't clear. I kind of like to think that he's on a sabbatical from the Horde. He's still Horde, but emeritus Horde and currently working on side projects. You have to ask the same question about Malfurion and the Alliance. Malfurion's situation was even worse than Thrall. Is Malfurion still Alliance? --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 21 Aug 2011 9:37 AM Pacific

I think Thrall is still a horde member. --Devilishmind934 (talk) 16:03, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Violation of Mak'gora rules

So, Thrall did challenge Garrosh to Mak'gora , right? I've even read that they specifically used the traditional rules, which allows one to kill the other, but specifically forbids use of anything other than a single weapon and brute strength. Garrosh follows the rules, even using his bare fists for half of the fight, but as soon as things go south for Thrall, he cheats and kills Garrosh with elemental magic. I understand everyone hated Garrosh, but do people know about exactly what happened in this duel? Would members of the Horde be okay with this? Even putting aside the (I think) valid points Garry made about Thrall making him what he was and failing him, I don't really see how it can be okay for Thrall to do this, even as a Troll and Tauren fanboy. It seemed at the end of WoD Thrall was grappling with killing Hellscream and not doing so great, I just hope they don't sweep this under the rug like they did the fact that Grom slaughtered thousands even before Gul'dan took over the Iron Horde (But no Legion spoilers please!!) What do you think? I've lost a lot of respect for Go'el. I'm a long time reader, just starting to edit! Davedwtho (talk) 23:21, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

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