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Disable anons

From Anonymous editing and your community:

Starting Thursday July 23rd, administrators on most communities now have the option to prompt visitors to create accounts by disabling anonymous editing. This can be accomplished via a new switch in WikiFeatures.

Should we do this? I would like to poll the other admins.

--Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10 Aug 2015 10:14 AM Pacific

Burning Crusade login screen

Hey there Raylan13

Do you happen to have any trouble accessing the image: File:Login_screen_The_Burning_Crusade.jpg. It was appearing blank on the pages which linked to it when I was browsing some articles today. Assuming the image was removed at some point, I attempted to replace it. It appears as though I'm still unable to access that file, and the upload log is now saying I "uploaded a new version".
-Sitb (talk) 16:30, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

Portable infoboxes

Infoboxes at Fandyllic's talk page...

You should make them in subpages like Template:Npcbox/portable so we can compare the current version to the portable version easily. I would also start with the simplest ones first, but I'm not sure which those might be... I'll post some candidates here or you could start a forum post to collect info and experiences. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 25 Aug 2015 1:53 PM Pacific

So from what it looks like, you need to be able to edit MediaWiki to set up the CSS classes. But most admins can't edit them or make new ones... Not a great way to promote the info box conversion. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 26 Aug 2015 8:35 PM Pacific
Ok, so I've been trying to slowly port {{Infobox}} to {{Infobox/Draft}} and it looks like {{#if:...|TRUE|FALSE}} is not being honored anywhere inside <infobox>...</infobox> tags. Is that true? --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 28 Aug 2015 2:31 PM Pacific
Here's where the #if is needed. I want this Tnavbar to only show up when specified, but the current infobox scheme doesn't allow something conditional based on just a non-label/data switch that I can tell.
How can I make the following only show up with some kind of switch?
<header style="text-align:right;">{{Tnavbar|{{{name|}}}}}</header>
--Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 31 Aug 2015 9:01 AM Pacific
Okay I figured out how to do the above with this:
<navigation>{{#if:{{{navbar|}}}|<div style="text-align:right;">{{Tnavbar|{{{name|}}}}}</div>}}</navigation>
Now I'm trying to figure out how to show either header, label/data or just data, depending on which params are used. Looks like you can't use <data>...</data> tags inside <navigation>...</navigation> tags. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 31 Aug 2015 2:29 PM Pacific
Okay things are going better. {{Infobox/Draft}} works as a meta-template as seen in Anguish/pi and {{Infobox pet ability/pi}}. Next step is attempt at re-styling to look more like the originals. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1 Sep 2015 6:20 PM Pacific
Styling would be much easier if you could experiment with inline styles and then move them to classes. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2 Sep 2015 8:44 AM Pacific

Featuring Global Goals...

Is it okay if I do something for this: Global Goals: Why We're Telling Everyone? --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 25 Sep 2015 8:35 PM Pacific

Main page overhaul

Looks pretty good. You should have Celess22 take a look and then put it in. We can tweak it after. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 26 Sep 2015 4:56 PM Pacific

Consider switching to Message Walls and new-style forums

I left messages on Sitb's and Celess22's talk pages to suggest we switch over to Message Walls and new-style Forums. Since Wikia is working on a new more mobile-friendly feature called Discussions that we may want to switch to in the future, we should consider switching to something that will make the transitions less jarring. I also asked for feedback on article Comments.

Please leave your comments on my talk page. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 27 Sep 2015 9:41 AM Pacific

I will make a blog for feedback in comments. If they are mostly positive, I will announce a switchover for new-style Forums and Message Walls. We can leave article comments off unless there is heavy demand for it. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Oct 2015 8:59 AM Pacific


I'm pretty sure, the monobook problems are definitely NOT something any WoWWiki admin has done. I also don't plan to try to fix it unless other Wikia staff who monitor monobook (if there are any) have looked it over. It's still usable and that's pretty much the only standard I hold it to. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Oct 2015 9:04 AM Pacific

Testing template classification system at WoWWiki

FYI, just left messages about this on Sitb's and Celess22's talk pages. I'm not giving them much time to respond, but this feature seems almost no impact, assuming putting it on WoWWiki doesn't break something unexpected. I assume rollback will be pretty easy. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 27 Oct 2015 3:03 PM Pacific

Thal'Dranath map

See my response at User_talk:Fandyllic#Thal.27Dranath_map. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2 Dec 2015 3:07 PM Pacific

Artifact relic slots

I'll work on graphics and a template tonite. After I finish that, I'll look at tooltips. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Dec 2015 3:51 PM Pacific

Should be all done, until we discover a new artifact relic slot type.
{{RelicSlot}} created.
{{Tooltip}} updated (see Template:Tooltip/doc actually).
Bug me if you see any other templates that are needed.
--Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Dec 2015 7:39 PM Pacific
Also {{RelicIcon}} created if you just want the icon. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4 Dec 2015 9:39 AM Pacific

Delete all content posted by a single wiki user?

Good Morning Raylan13

In patrolling the recent edits from time to time, there are inevitably users who have dropped by the wiki to post unrelated content and media (often in foreign language), which essentially amounts to wiki-squatting. On some occasions, they end up adding 20+ edits/files before I (or another admin/patroller) notices. In these situations, I will go through each article or file to review and delete them one-by-one. However, in many cases it is clear from the start that all content from the user is going fall under the do-not-post policy. I am curious if there is an option for us administrators to delete all posts/files from a user at once. Does this feature exist?

-Sitb (talk) 13:20, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

Infobox implementation

Yeah you can switch over to PIs for the infoboxes on this list. Hopefully I'll get time to tweak them and improve the documentation. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 16 Dec 2015 11:04 AM Pacific

Hey, for the next infoboxes you switch over to PIs, can you rename the old one to Template:.../classic, so we still have the old one around for comparison? --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Dec 2015 10:21 AM Pacific

Page Update

Hi Raylan13,

I would like to offer an update for one of the wiki's pages that is currently set as "protected" and therefore I cannot add the info on my own. The page is the one regarding Multiboxing Software:

The update is about a new multiboxing software called Lidc.

Here is the official site URL:

Please, let me know if its possible to add it to the list and if you would like me to provide some detailed description regarding its features or anything else.


--Invader11 (talk) 11:32, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

This page was un-protected by Raylan13. Go for it. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11 Jan 2016 11:02 AM Pacific

Merge discussion (Mounts)

The article merging I performed this morning reminded me of another candidate for merging. I would be interested in your opinion on this.
-Sitb (talk) 16:54, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Major characters

I just finished a test page for a re-structured layout of the Major characters article. I would be interested to hear your input in this discussion, since it is such a major layout change.
-Sitb (talk) 17:42, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Item template isn't the problem

If the page name is different from the item name, you need to add |disambigpage= to he tooltip or the item template won't work right. The item template relies heavily on a correct tooltip. It used to be that if you didn't use disambigpage, the tooltip wouldn't float correctly, but I guess someone changed that (maybe me, oops). --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12 Mar 2016 11:30 AM Pacific

The tooltip still has problems, though. Hopefully I can figure it out. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12 Mar 2016 11:38 AM Pacific
You might want to ping Celess22 about the tooltip thing... I have no clue. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12 Mar 2016 11:57 AM Pacific
Oh, don't use |mode={{{mode|home}}} for any tooltip that is the main tooltip for the item. Just use |mode={{{mode|}}}. Using home is what fakes the tooltip into thinking it is correct. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12 Mar 2016 12:05 PM Pacific

Ajaxsub template Javascript problem

See User_talk:Fandyllic#.22Ajaxsub.22_Template. I dug into this a little bit and I think it is because some other Javascript is interfering (duplicate hideTable function, I think), but it could take a while for me to find the the duplicate function. I was wondering if anyone on Wikia staff has some better tools for digging through JS for this problem. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 22 Mar 2016 9:35 AM Pacific

I have World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 1

In case you need to check a ref from it. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 29 Mar 2016 10:00 AM Pacific

Gameshub links broken by fandom

I sent you a Skype message also, but the Gameshub links at User blog:Raylan13/BlizzCon 2014 have been broken by redirecting to fandom. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6 Apr 2016 2:09 PM Pacific


Hi Raylan, long time no see, I just wanted to ask if you have anything to say about my ideas in World of Warcraft: Invaders of Zandalar.--Spenpiano (talk) 21:43, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

Apology letter

Hi Raylan, I got your message and I like to say that I'm deeply sorry for what had just happened yesterday. I remember that you told me to use the attribution template, and I forgot to use that. Most likely, I'll try to be more careful.--Spenpiano (talk) 17:01, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Oh thank you. :)--Spenpiano (talk) 18:27, April 23, 2016 (UTC)


I re-edited the Cox page. I just hope I did it alright. Can you check?--Spenpiano (talk) 17:15, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Same for Margaret and Mia Greymane.--Spenpiano (talk) 17:46, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

From Cecijo

Hi Raylan, you once asked me if I would like to become a patroller, at that time, I was not very interested, but now, I'm coming accross more and more vandalism every day, it annoys me and I would like to stop it. If you could tell me if I can become a patroller or nah, it's okay anyway.Cecijo (talk) 17:05, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

Is there a problem?

Hey Raylan sorry for the late reply, but why did you reverted my edits in Alduin and Sylvanas's siblings? I added their correct and true aligments, i was doing my best to not speculate. Tesshu (talk) 22:21, September 28, 2016 (UTC)

I added their aligments based on their actions which are: Anduin is lawful good according to his storyline, he is a just and benevolent king, both Veeresa and Alleria are lawful good too because they follow the law and are good hearted by nature, Valeera Sanguinar is good but she is neutral because she tends to jobs for her personnal gain just like a neutral character supposed to to, so do you mind if i revert back my previous edits? Tesshu (talk) 22:34, September 28, 2016 (UTC) 

Allright, for now we will have to leave their aligments "on hold". Tesshu (talk) 22:42, September 28, 2016 (UTC)

1) Alignments are only from the RPG which is not canon.
2) Only alignments that are given and referenced to official sources are "correct and true".
3) Without an official source or reference, you are speculating, even if in a rational way.
Because alignments only exist in the RPG, they are optional for the infobox. You should add this info under a "Notes" section instead.
Raylan13 is very busy, so in the future you can direct questions to me. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 29 Sep 2016 1:01 PM Pacific

Northrend instance maps

Yup, I think I was working on uploading instance maps, but got side-tracked. If I get to it, I will upload some more Legion maps too. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 27 Oct 2016 4:35 PM Pacific

Post-Legion Base Attributes

Hello there, I am a very new user of WoWWiki and overall noob to World of Warcraft that goes by Nuperopp591. I wanted to research the starting base attributes of each race/class, as it seemed like an easy enough thing to do, but I encountered difficulties with the interface not allowing me to view "irrelevant" stats. I also posted this on Fandyllic's page as I have no idea who to contact about this. Essentially, I'm wondering if what I put for Orc Rogue as an anon is satisfactory. Do you want just the stats that WoW deems relevant, or is there some way to datamine or otherwise reveal the other stats? I'd love to help in this category, as I am myself very curious about the topic, but I need to know how.

Nuperopp591 (talk) 02:28, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

Lore Question Regarding Arthas And Jaina's Relationship

Greetings Raylan13,

Just to clarify real quick, around the beginning of this month an anon had edited the Arthas Menethil article with the bit about Jaina Proudmoore being Arthas's "Lover". I just noticed the same anon readded the same info mentioned here back into the article. Link to the anon edit: [1]

Now i'm not a lore fanatic nor is lore my strong suit, but googling whether or not Jaina had a "thing" with Arthas seems to indicate that was indeed the case. My intent is not to argue the point but to seek clarification as to the aforementioned.

To go even further, the information i dug up via google (Youtube videos, articles etc) again seems to confirm they were indeed in love.

I would like to know what you think on this matter?

Link 1:

Link 2:

Number 3: Arthas: Rise of the Lich King

Quoted from the book: "The kiss was gentle at first, soft and sweet, the first Jaina had ever known. As if of their own will, her arms crept up to drape around his neck and she pressed against him as the kiss deepened. She felt as though she was drowning, and he was the only solid thing in the world.

This was what—who—she wanted. This youth who was her friend despite his title, who saw and understood her scholarly character but also knew how to coax forth the playful and adventurous girl who didn’t often have a chance to come out—who wasn’t often glimpsed. 

But he had seen all of who she was, not just the face she presented to the world.

“Arthas,” she whispered as she clung to him. “Arthas…”


TessaVarzi (talk) 05:27, November 25, 2016 (UTC)TessaVarzi

It was just vandalism. I have reverted it. :)
-Sitb (talk) 13:52, November 25, 2016 (UTC)
Whether Jaina and Arthas were "lovers" or just "in love" (big difference) is actually a moot point; neither makes her a relative, which is where the info was placed in the box Winky.gif Raylan13 (talk) 00:56, November 26, 2016 (UTC)
Ah i see now, thanks for clarifying that :)
TessaVarzi (talk) 01:18, November 26, 2016 (UTC)TessaVarzi

MMO Game Page Footer

Celess22 put this on my talk page by mistake. See User talk:Fandyllic#MMO_Game_Page_Footer. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Jan 2017 10:49 AM Pacific


Go for it. I still prefer Forum, but on this wiki it doesn't matter as much. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 13 Apr 2017 9:46 AM Pacific

Keep an eye out for multi-account vandal

Seems to be still attacking. I rolled back and blocked Krontho. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 24 Apr 2017 10:41 AM Pacific

Is VSTF looking into this? --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 24 Apr 2017 10:42 AM Pacific

Please comment

See Change WoWWiki's "Community name" to "KEEP NET NEUTRALITY!" vote. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 13 Jul 2017 10:33 AM Pacific

New Maps

See my talk, bottom. Thanks :) Celess22 (talk) 00:49, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

Anon user article creation

Anon Special:Contributions/2A01:CB04:DA:3500:11EA:979B:85AB:985C created an article with one letter Life_Artifact_Relic TessaVarzi (talk) 05:08, August 13, 2017 (UTC)TessaVarzi

Apparently we're having issues with deletion. I've brought it to the powers that be. Raylan13 (talk) 13:57, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for deleting Spam Article (Please Ignore) plus the original. I had tried renaming the original so users didn't fall for that spam stuff when they saw it but it being moved was not what i wanted. Very strange. Thanks again :) TessaVarzi (talk) 16:28, September 11, 2017 (UTC)TessaVarzi

Always glad to help Winky.gif Raylan13 (talk) 16:33, September 11, 2017 (UTC)

AQ instance maps

Should work now.

Zone Parameter Alt Parameter Resolved File(s)
Ruins of AQ
Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj
(none) WorldMap-RuinsofAhnQiraj.jpg File:WorldMap-RuinsofAhnQiraj.jpg
Temple of AQ
Temple of Ahn'Qiraj

--Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11 Sep 2017 11:44 AM Pacific

Thanks for tabber fix

Hey, what's with the Overwatch avatar!? Don't forget your Warcraft roots. Winky.gif --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 19 Oct 2017 9:56 AM Pacific

BlizzCon background, etc.

Background seems fine.

You can change the Community Name from the net neutrality thing, if you want. Maybe something about BlizzCon while it is going on.

I still need to get my Virtual Ticket... oops. I also usually do more updates for BlizzCon, but I've been totally slacking. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1 Nov 2017 10:38 AM Pacific

BlizzCon 2017 press kit

Make sure to grab it:

--Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Nov 2017 2:38 PM Pacific

WoW: Classic

I prefer the minimalist approach. Only document big differences from the original vanilla version. All items, mobs, NPCs, quests, etc. differences will just be documented by links to external DBs at most. We don't really cover tons of stuff in regular WoW, so I'm not sweating Classic, since it isn't clear if the target audience really wants that experience or they used it as an excuse to play on private servers. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 21 Nov 2017 10:48 AM Pacific

Spam Thread

Thread:382554 created by Special:Contributions/Masters2018 TessaVarzi (talk) 17:42, December 13, 2017 (UTC)TessaVarzi


Hey. I am one of the bureaucrats of the Polish WoW Wiki. We want to have Polish interwiki in your articles. Adding them manually would take too much time. Could we use (operated by the Polish helper Nanaki)?  Arek214 (T) 10:26, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer.  Arek214 (T) 18:40, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

New combined Zones page (old zones by level)

Looks great, just move the old Zones by level and other pages to something like Zones/Old zones by level. I saw you working on it, so it wasn't a surprise in any way. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 14 Feb 2018 10:55 AM Pacific

Template types

Grrr... no problem. see User_talk:Fandyllic#Template_types. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 22 Feb 2018 5:45 PM Pacific


Maybe it'd be for the best if you source them within Daelin Proudmoore's article as well, then? Each entry needs to be able to stand on its own. EternitySuffers (talk) 15:39, February 26, 2018 (UTC)

"Each entry needs to be able to stand on its own."... But your interpretation of "stand on its own" might be different from others. The whole point of linking is to reduce duplication. Also, changes that remove content without an explanatory edit summary are less likely to be considered legitimate by admins... (me and Raylan13). --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 16 Mar 2018 2:46 PM Pacific

I got into the Battle for Azeroth Alpha!

...for some reason. Did you get in also? What a time sink! Winky.gif --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7 Apr 2018 7:05 AM Pacific

Battle pet item vs pet pages

Leave a list of links of problem stuff for battle pets and I'll try to split them up. Maybe you can also tell RBoy, since he makes lots of battle pet pages. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2 May 2018 2:32 PM Pacific

Make Vanilla WoW wiki become Classic WoW wiki

I guess it would be a good use to repurpose Vanilla WoW wiki for coverage of World of Warcraft: Classic. Just FYI, there is a very small wiki also called classic-wow, so maybe have the first one use that as its main subdomain and redirect vanilla-wow to classic-wow. Also maybe redirect classicwow (abandoned), wowclassic (abandoned), vanillawow (abandoned), wow-classic, wow-vanilla, and wowvanilla to whatever is decided to be the new WoW: Classic wiki. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 Jul 2018 10:44 AM Pacific

I think you nuked over alot of content that was already on vanilla-wow when you made it redirect to classic-wow. Can you export from old unreachable vanilla-wow and import it into classic-wow? --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 Jul 2018 11:53 AM Pacific
Nevermind. I think it was a caching issue on my side. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 Jul 2018 12:11 PM Pacific

FANDOM contributor writer for WoW stuff

Hey, do you know this guy Brett Bates? He's getting article in FANDOM news about WoW. His articles aren't bad, but they are kind of minimalist. Not much info.

I just want to know if you're reviewing his stuff before it gets put up... Also, do you know his wiki username (please tell me he has one)? --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Aug 2018 11:30 AM Pacific

Non English Spam

See Перезвоните TessaVarzi (talk) 07:01, August 18, 2018 (UTC)TessaVarzi

Have you gotten 8.1 working on PTR?

It just crashes to Blizzard Error on Mac for me... I've tried it once a day for like the last week. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Oct 2018 11:30 AM Pacific

Re: Your message about the Curse/Fandom Partnership

Hey Raylan13,

I've responded to your message.
-Sitb (talk) 01:02, December 14, 2018 (UTC)