Hi, my name is Spenpiano. I'm a big fan of the World of Warcraft. I hope to edit a lot of things in this wiki. I know a lot of editors have worte fan-fiction, and I would like add my very own fan-made ideas for the World of Warcraft.

Gwen Armstead, etc.

According to the lore, I don't believe that all those living in Gilneas were afflicted with the worgen curse. There are some that obviously were, like Celestine of the Harvest or Genn Greymane. But to my knowledge, not all the citizens are worgen, so I went ahead and reverted those changes. Liam is kind of a grey area, as I think it's presumed by many that he was a worgen, but I haven't seen any supporting evidence. Raylan13

(talk) 03:14, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


Nice! I enjoyed the read. You never know what Blizzard has in store for the future expansions Smiley.gif Raylan13

(talk) 00:29, May 4, 2012 (UTC)


Nice ideas in there. The Defias returning as helping the Alliance and Horde is an interesting idea - I would have expected them to perhaps side with the Legion - but it's a good twist. And I like the range of new zones, rather than a clump of low level and then a clump of high level. Raylan13

(talk) 17:28, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

You can find a good deal of info about the site at the about page. If you want to talk to someone who's been here for quite a while (compared to my measly almost three years), then there's Fandyllic. Raylan13 (talk) 17:44, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Those are two good foci. We know that Kil'jaeden will return at some point, or at least it's very heavily implied. And Argus? Well, who knows what's really happened since the Legion, and opening that up to players and some rich lore is great. Raylan13

(talk) 17:53, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Populations and proper nouns

Before you get going too much, just wanted to pop in and point out a few things. The first is about population in the infoboxes. These are from official sources, so they shouldn't be changed unless another official source is cited. Second is about race names. By and large they shouldn't be capitalized unless they are at the beginning of a sentence: ie "Trolls are (whatever)" is fine, but "The Orcs of Durotar..." isn't. Any questions, just ask! Raylan13

(talk) 17:54, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

While it's true that the populations of some areas have likely changed, there's no official, written source (yet) that documents those exact changes. From the template page the population statistics should "not be used for speculation" and should "source books from the RPG and other published sources (individual citations required)". Raylan13 (talk) 15:12, July 26, 2012 (UTC)


(Thumbs up) My personal opinion is that there's a much greater chance of seeing ogres and furbolgs before high elves and forest trolls. Race models are being updated at some point on the horizon, so we might see some versions of elves and trolls in those option menus. Raylan13

(talk) 03:08, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Wandering Isle NPCs

All the NPCs on the Wandering Isle should remain tagged as neutral, unless there's a reference (like a wowhead listing) that shows them as having joined the Alliance or Horde. Raylan13

(talk) 01:12, September 29, 2012 (UTC)


Please do not edit articles with information directly lifted from another source. Though it certainly isn't my preference, if you absolutely must do so, please use the wowpedia attribution template. Keep in mind anything marked with the template I'll be going through and completely rewriting. Raylan13

(talk) 14:41, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Keep the note I mentioned about the Wandering Isle NPCs in mind as well. Aside from the obvious (Aysa, Ji), I'm not finding any evidence that any of the other pandaren on the Isle either departed or chose a faction. Raylan13 (talk) 14:48, September 29, 2012 (UTC)


I've already gone through the Horde side of the Pandaren intro and took another stroll through Orgrimmar to make sure. I can't find him there or find any reference to him joining the Horde. Raylan13

(talk) 16:08, October 21, 2012 (UTC)


Not a problem! The NPC page here should have what you're looking for, whether the person is the objective of a quest or a quest giver/ender. Raylan13

(talk) 03:27, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for adding all the NPC pages!

Just a couple notes:

--Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10 Jul 2013 4:16 PM Pacific

Attribution (again)

I warned you previously about copying content directly from wowpedia without proper attribution. Please re-read that and apply the template to the pages you have recently created, as well as the images. Further copying will start resulting in a ban. Raylan13

(talk) 22:43, July 14, 2013 (UTC)


Yep, looks good to me! Raylan13

(talk) 19:07, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Categorizing your fanfic

You may want to categorize you fanfic with {{SUBPAGENAME}}, aka [[Category:CATEGORYNAME|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]], so they all don't show up under the letter "S". --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 Oct 2013 1:51 PM Pacific

Please use |doc=1 on npcbox templates for fanfic

Please use |doc=1 on {{npcbox}} templates when you create fanfic characters or NPCs. They should not appear in categories like in-game mobs and NPCs. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 15 Apr 2014 7:58 AM Pacific

From Cecijo

Hi, it's me Cecijo, I mean u know that XD. I'm also huggggge fan of WoW and I have also awsome ideas for WoW, how can I post them to WoWWiki? Please answer me :)

Hi it's me again, I have made ideas feel free to see them on my profile page, please don't edit. PS all are my own ideas XD

But I didn't finished XD

I almost forget, say when u are ready to see my ideas :)

Ok but I can't now :)

Hi again I will gladly help u but I need to finish my ideas about races, factions, characters and locations after that I will gladly help u with ur ideas :D

Hi I made ideas list of characters and locations, see it if u want :)


If u have character ideas send me message and I'll see if I can u use it in my storyline.

See my race ideas :D

I have made idea for Karanorrii (zone in Cecaro), check it.

I made descriptions for some Cecaro zones, see 'em if u want :)

I'll find a img on net, I will name it TushuiDistrict.jpg, is it ok? :))

Uploaded, I hope u'll like it :)

What do u think about the pic XP

Acctualy I found pic with human in SW and the other with Pandaren girl, then I photoshoped them and made this one, I couldn't found better pics :(, maybe u can take a screenshot, cause my wow acc is banned for 30days

Hi again, I finished storyline, it need more editing, but u are welcome to see it now, please tell me what do u think

Storyline is on User:Cecijo/World of Warcraft: Cecaro, on the page it starts from headline text named After Reaching Cecaro.


Well, it's been a year since the last warning, so no ban for now. Please stop copying content from wowpedia; if you absolutely must, please use the attribution template. Raylan13

(talk) 23:10, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I'm over with storyline see it and tell me what do u think.

Jade Forest NPCs

Please don't add Jade Forest NPCs to the Category:The Jade Forest NPCs. Add them to just Category:Jade Forest NPCs. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 14 Jul 2014 9:56 AM Pacific

Man say something

Hi I hope that u like new icons :)

Ok nice, hope that u had a nice summer vacation, cause i had xd

Hey babe (Joke), see my faction ideas please :)

Be more careful when editing templates

Your change to {{Infobox_faction}} broke the faction icon. I'm hoping nothing else is broken, but it's pretty clear you didn't really test your change. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Mar 2015 8:38 PM Pacific

Oh! Terribly sorry about that.--Spenpiano (talk) 16:41, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Please credit Wowpedia of you get content from there

It looks like you've been uploading images from Wowpedia. Please see instructions at {{Wowpedia credit}} and put it on the appropriate File summary page (i.e. File:IconSmall_Mok'Nathal_Female.gif). --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 20 Mar 2015 3:48 PM Pacific

These icons are not Blizzard made or sanctioned, so the Blizzard license is not appropriate. They should be marked as fan art. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 24 Mar 2015 6:48 AM Pacific
See the example at File:IconSmall_ChaosOrc_Female.gif (click the About tab). --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 24 Mar 2015 6:52 AM Pacific

Please don't use <li> instead of <br/>

It may look right, but it is a misuse of the tag. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9 Aug 2015 11:05 AM Pacific

A misuse?--Spenpiano (talk) 19:06, August 9, 2015 (UTC)


Nice find on the image we were missing, the still of Larohir from the Lords of War video on Maraad. I am going to add it to the infobox of the official Larohir article.
-Sitb (talk) 17:07, January 4, 2016 (UTC)


As far as can be seen, it looks like more content has been copied from wowpedia without any attribution. There have been at least three separate warnings about this, so the only thing that remains is to hand out a ban Frowney.gif. It certainly isn't something any of us want to do - the minimum amount was selected as a further warning. Raylan13 (talk) 16:02, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

Haven't had a chance to look over the articles, but since the attribution is on those pages now, it's sort of a moot point. To be honest, it probably would help if you held off on editing until all your edits could be gone through. I know I'll be going through them, potentially Fandyllic as well. Raylan13 (talk) 18:26, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Apology accepted

Copying stuff is easy, but we don't want to encourage it. Practice working on references and you should be fine. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 24 Apr 2016 2:11 PM Pacific

Edit and feedback

I looked at Irulon Trueblade, Kriss Goldenlight, and Sven Yorgen. You can look at the history of each page to see what I though needed changing, much of it had nothing to do with your edits, but you can see the kind of things that are good practice.

If you want me to look over your edits, I'm mostly concerned about the really big edits or new pages. I'm not too worried as long as you are aware of the things you shouldn't do. I let Raylan13 be bad cop. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 25 Apr 2016 2:35 PM Pacific

/shakesfist. Raylan13 (talk) 23:25, April 25, 2016 (UTC)


Use {{NYR}} (and if it looks like lots will change as we learn more, add {{Stub/Legion}}) at the top of new Legion articles and {{NYR-section}} under new Legion sections. For existing pages that will have major change (infobox mostly), put {{Legion/Update}} at the top. It looks like you have been changing {{NYI}} to {{NYR}} and {{NYI-section}} to {{NYR-section}} and that's good. The only time you would use {{NYI}} or {{NYI-section}} would be for zones or features that are announced or rumored to be coming in future Legion builds or patches. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 27 Apr 2016 11:18 AM Pacific

Lorna Crowley and Tess Greymane becoming worgen in Legion

Not that I know of. I didn't get into the alpha Frowney.gif, so my knowledge of lore changes is limited to what I can find leaked on the internet. Raylan13 should be in the alpha, so maybe he knows. --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4 May 2016 3:57 PM Pacific

From Cecijo

Hi! Thank you for asking me to help you. I will assisst you whenever I can. But sadly I'm not making my expansion ideas anymore.

P.S. I noticed that you've been copying icons from Wowpedia (you can get a ban for copying), so instead of copying, you can send me a request for an icon, and I will try to make an icon for you.Cecijo (talk) 18:05, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

That's fine. :)--Spenpiano (talk) 18:10, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

Problems with infobox faction?

I noticed you undid the portable infobox conversion for {{Infobox faction}}. Was there a specific problem with the portable version? Please give your feedback at the forum thread. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 14 Mar 2017 9:39 AM Pacific


Thank you for your continued work on the wiki.

I wanted to add that, at least on my screen, your recent edit on Valarjar caused the red letters "17px" to appear in the Infobox. Just wanted to make sure you knew; I'd fix it myself, but I have absolutely no idea how to! :P

This is how the world ends-- not with a bang, but with an edit. (talk) 23:04, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

I do. I have trouble trying to get it all fixed, but its hard. By the way, if your a fan of Star Wars Legends, you are welcome to join my wikia site. http://star-wars-legends.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Legends_Wiki--Spenpiano (talk) 23:15, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

Oh! Well, I am a fan, so I'll have a look at that. Thank you! If there's anything I can do to help you enhance this wiki or that one, don't hesitate to drop me a line.

23:26, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I'll be thrilled if you join and yes I would very much like for my wiki to be specially enhanced and open for others to come. It would be an honor. Please, take your time. :)--Spenpiano (talk) 23:34, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

I wrote you a short "disambiguation" article regarding Imperial Star Destroyers. Later on, when I have a bit more energy, I'll do my best to write longer articles for both classes of that kind of ship, and will also endeavor to otherwise enhance the wiki on your behalf. Hope this helps. 

This is how the world ends-- not with a bang, but with an edit. (talk) 23:53, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

Grand Army of the Light

I think the original story is essentially true, but there may be more clues in World of Warcraft: Illidan which I haven't read. I think Alleria and Turalyon did have a large part in building the army, but may have been inspired by the naaru to do it. I suspect there must be a mage or someone who knows about the workings of portals that is an important part of the army, since it's not clear how they move around to gather the members of the army. Illidan knows about portals, but he was originally a mage. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1 May 2017 1:48 PM Pacific

Please don't use status Undead

Undead is not a valid {{npcbox}} status (see Template:Npcbox/doc). That is what creature is for. Please change back the statuses you changed. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1 May 2017 4:32 PM Pacific

Making Polls

You can make a poll and then I'll add it to the main page.

How you do it:

  1. Make the poll page template at somewhere like: Template:Polls/Vrykul_playable_vote and Template:Polls/Next_allied_races
    I would separate the Vrykul poll from the next Allied races poll.
  2. Fill in the poll pages (in Source edit mode) so they look like Template:Polls/BfA_favorable (put <poll> tags inside <onlyinclude> tags and add [[Category:Polls]])
  3. Save the template(s) and optionally set template type = Data.
  4. Leave me a message that it's ready for me to review.
  5. I may clean it up or edit it a bit (I'll ask you if the edits are okay).
  6. I'll put in on the main page when it looks finalized.

--Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 22 Mar 2018 10:21 AM Pacific

Thank you so much. I've already done as you ask. Please feel free to check on them and see if I did them right.--Spenpiano (talk) 18:32, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
Checkout the changes I made (also renamed): Template:Polls/Vrykul_faction_choice
If everything is okay, I will put it on the main page after you approve. Otherwise, we can work through changes.
Feel free to make more polls. I may wait a week or so to put new polls up, because it gets crowded. People can always vote on old polls at WW:Polls. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 22 Mar 2018 11:03 AM Pacific
Perfect! :)--Spenpiano (talk) 19:17, March 22, 2018 (UTC)

New poll thoughts

There should be a "RACE playable vote" poll for each "RACE faction choice" poll and the playable poll should always come first.

I would probably start showing the polls in this order:

  1. Template:Polls/Vrykul playable vote
  2. Template:Polls/Vrykul faction choice
  3. Template:Polls/Drogbar playable vote
  4. Template:Polls/Drogbar faction choice
  5. Template:Polls/Vulpera playable vote
  6. Template:Polls/Vulpera faction choice

Template:Polls/Next allied races needs rework because Allied races should be both a subfaction and a race (Nightborne are really Nightborne elves), so you can't just have 'Drogbar', it needs to be something like 'Bitestone Drogbar'. Also I definitely wouldn't add anything about 'vulpera' until they at least appear in-game. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 Mar 2018 2:25 PM Pacific

{{Polls/Vrykul playable vote}} and {{Polls/Vrykul faction choice}} are now on the main page! --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 Mar 2018 2:40 PM Pacific

Allied race ideas

If you can find some good lore references, your ideas might be good, but as far as I can tell, besides the Allied races that already have established lore (Legion ones, Dark Irons, and Zanadalari) the Lightforged draenei and Void elves were basically pulled out of thin air by Blizzard. So, the best ideas are races with lots of established lore (like Arakkoa, Ethereals, Mag'har, Sporelings, etc.), but aren't that similar to existing allied races and aren't corrupted by the Burning Legion (Fel races). --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 17 Apr 2018 10:31 AM Pacific

True Forsaken

"True Forsaken" doesn't seem like an appropriate name, but I can't think of a good alternative... maybe "Saved Forsaken"? It's an interesting idea... I've always wondered why the Forsaken are mostly human... --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 29 Jul 2018 6:34 PM Pacific

"Lightfused Forsaken" might work, but I guess it would be nice to know the source of what keeps the Forsaken and Scourge "alive". If it is the power of Shadow or the Void, it would make it hard for the Light to coexist with that... maybe they wouldn't even really be undead anymore, so they would just be mostly regular humans again. I suspect it is more likely Death, since Alleria is in touch with the Void, so she should immediately sense Shadow and Void in Sylvanas, but she hasn't appeared to so far. How the power of Death would animate the dead, never made sense to me, but Undead and Death are linked according to Cosmic forces. I don't know what should happen if something animated by the power of Death was infused by the Light, but it sure sounds strange.
It's your fanfic, I'm just trying to look at it as an outsider who you might be trying to convince. If the lore makes sense, I can be convinced. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 30 Jul 2018 10:29 AM Pacific
Adding a poll for adding a light-evolved Forsaken race as an allied race affiliated with the Alliance is too much of a stretch right now. As it stands, the Forsaken might be the most hated part of the Horde and there is nothing in current lore that suggests a light-evolved Forsaken race is anywhere in the near future. Adding polls about speculated changes to existing stuff is fine, put a poll about something that doesn't even exist doesn't really work. That's more of a WoWRP type of thing. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 30 Jul 2018 2:34 PM Pacific

Advice on creating fanfics

Hi Spenpiano! I've been having some trouble trying to figure out how to appropriately post fanfictions, so after a couple of discussions with Fandyllic (links can be found here and here), he directed me to you for help. Would you be able to give me some advice on what markup is generally expected to make a fanfiction fit in userspace on this wiki? Thanks in advance if you can! Wikikinetic (talk) 21:18, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

Its very easy. Here's an example User:Spenpiano/Mongrel Horde. Firstly type User:Wikikinetic/Varian Wrynn. That's how you do it.--Spenpiano (talk) 22:10, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
Oops, I didn't see this until just now due to forgetting to follow this page. Sorry about that. Getting back to the main topic, though, I'm a bit surprised that, as far as I can tell from what you just posted, all that's required to post a fanfiction is that it be in userspace. Is there something else required here, or am I missing something? Wikikinetic (talk) 02:52, August 30, 2018 (UTC)

Void Draenei

Hi Spenpiano! I just noticed that, on your user page, you have a fan race of Void Draenei listed. This reminded me that I came up with several ideas related to a Void Draenei fan race some time ago, but that I've never posted anywhere because I haven't quite gotten it into a full thing yet. However, I'd be happy to share ideas with you somewhere privately if you're interested (like on Discord, if you have an account there). Otherwise, I could just let you know if and when I manage to post anything to the Warcraft Fanon Wiki (if you're even interested). Anyway, however you feel about this, please let me know! Wikikinetic (talk) 23:24, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

First of all, I'm glad that you're interested in talking to me about this. I'd definitely be happy to share ideas with you.
About sharing them on this site: While I know that I could share them here like you said, they're still fairly disorganized, so I wouldn't feel comfortable putting them up on the site just yet. That, and the amount of back-and-forth that I think we might need would, I think, make it difficult to have this conversation on this site, but would be convenient in some chat program. (I gave Discord as an example because I don't use many others, but I probably could.)
Please let me know what you think about this. Like I said, I'd be happy to share ideas once we can work out somewhere to share them.
Wikikinetic (talk) 22:16, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

Unofficial allied races

These are Unofficial allied races, right? https://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Allied_races?file=4mlug8q6n1y01.jpg#Videos


  • Yes, I put them in a fan-section of the page.--Spenpiano (talk) 00:14, October 18, 2018 (UTC)
Please don't put fan art showing non-existent allied races onto that page. I created a new Allied races ideas page and moved them there. Fan art of existing allied races is ok. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 18 Oct 2018 1:52 PM Pacific

Varok Saurfang warchief poll

It looked fine, but I moved it to Template:Polls/Varok Saurfang for New Warchief and add a Thrall option for fun. I'll add it to the front page shortly. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5 Nov 2018 12:33 PM Pacific

Pages you want deleted

Please just use the following tag at the top:

{{speedydelete|Author request.|sig=--~~~~}}

--Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8 Nov 2018 12:10 PM Pacific

Lightbound Undead...

You were so close... ;-)


--Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1 Apr 2019 6:51 PM Pacific

Still pretty impressive. Thanks for the update (even if it is an April Fools' joke)! Wikikinetic (talk) 05:52, April 2, 2019 (UTC)
That was really good, even though I wish it would happen, having an allied undead race that work for the Alliance, as well as being free from Sylvanas Windrunner, who is starting to become a pain in the neck now. Like Garrosh Hellscream, she is mad with power. I wonder if Baine Bloodhoof and Varok Saurfang might form another a rebellion to overthrow the Mad Warchief like Vol'jin did when he and his Darkspear Rebellion was successful in defeating Garrosh.--Spenpiano (talk) 12:42, April 2, 2019 (UTC)

Netherlight Forsaken

Your idea for Netherlight Forsaken looks pretty good, but I have a problem with the requirement of being exalted with the Conclave... if this were semi-realistic, you might want to make up a different organization that isn't tied so closely to a particular class. I'm pretty sure none of the real Allied Races have a requirement like this. --Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 23 Apr 2019 10:41 AM Pacific

For instance, do you know of a faction that could be useful for this type of allied race?--Spenpiano (talk) 17:42, April 23, 2019 (UTC)

Crossover Discussion

Hi Spenpiano,

If you have the chance, I'm wondering if you could possibly check out this discussion, and offer your input.
- Sitb (Message wall / Talk page) 01:53, May 23, 2019 (UTC)

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