The idea[]
To standarize the look and content of server pages.
Why?[]
Server pages are currently very different, and some of them contain a lot of code which average wiki-skilled people may not understand. With this we could give them very simple ways of editing, as most/all of the code will be kept in different templates.
We need help[]
Since the server pages are among the most edited pages on the whole wiki, we want people who regularly contribute on those pages to help with this. Please, give us your ideas and feedback. Nothing is determined! Your opinion could be what determines the look of every server page!
Proposals[]
Arenateam table[]
I'm not sure whether this exists, but I figure some people would like to show their arenateams as well as their guilds and progression. Thoughts? --OseTalkz / Contribz 21:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Autosortable tables?[]
Should/could someone with some JS-skills make the progression table (and the arena one if we make it) sort itself. I'm thinking it could look at the cleared-dates and calculate it. Or would it cause too much load? --OseTalkz / Contribz 21:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Progress[]
- Server Infobox: Complete (but open for improvment), see {{Infobox server}}.
- Standard raiding progress table: More or less complete.
- Standard guild list: More or less complete.
- Standard crafting table: being worked on.
Project Index[]
Talk pages[]
General discussion[]unless this is MAJORLY improved I am totally against this. I always cheer when I see a "custom made" Server page on WoWwiki, where people actually had some effort to create something unique. And then this is ridiculously huge and also absolutely ugly.
First of all, you can't judge this by how it looks now. It's just a draft, and the result will be very different. Secondly, the main priority is getting the amount of code sticking up in peoples faces down, while keeping the amount of good information stable, or even higher. And while you say that your server page is well made Gryphon, that does not mean all the other pages are. We are trying to make some kind of compromise. Thirdly, I don't really believe that the different server layouts show any "server personality", other than the personality of the one person who made the layout. --OseTalkz / Contribz 18:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I personally like the way that this project is shaping up! There is still plenty of room for customization where it counts, in the general information section, but it also gives a complete view of the what the server is like. The progression list is a nice clean design, and while I agree that it is a little image heavy I can't think of any better way to go about it and have it look as professional. I agree with Syzgyn that the alliance and horde progress tables shouldn't be separated; no matter how well ordered the table is by faction it will always look like whichever is placed at the bottom hasn't progressed as far as those in the bottom of the top section. If we're going to keep the factions separated it might work better as a side by side format instead of stacked. The problem there would be having twice as many images loading as before which could really slow down the page for users on slower connections. Shanoaravendare 14:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
It's a nice idea for a starting point, but changing the looks of now-custom-made server templated is a no-go. If this shapes up to be nice and slick I'll be one of the first to convert my server page to this, but totally against a bot-request general change or so. That's the point, I think there's no justification to purge the work of anyone who put some effort in his/her server page. *thinking about ideas for this atm* Hi, I've been maintaining the Server:Darrowmere US page. It's for a (very) small pop server, and as such a lot of the info on this template isn't going to be useful for us. The progression list, for example, is probably not something I'd want to incorporate, as we tend toward casual raiding and don't have a server Illidan kill yet. Our warcraftrealms.com census info sample size tends to be too small for a reliable count (and is not something we'd want to brag about anyway) so I don't link to it from the server wiki page. And nobody maintains guild or rare profession lists (we all know each other)...I could go on, but I'm betting you get the idea. It's not to say that that the template is bad, or looks bad, but I assume that this is meant more for a large- to medium-pop server page than it is the page for small realms like Darrowmere, where a lot of it would simply be overkill, or worse red links.--Scrotch 03:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC) Well I for one like it. The big green ticks in the progression table do hurt my eyes though :) --Niightblade 01:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC) Perhaps include server transfer status? -- Niightblade 03:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Hmm.. I should say this is a pretty interesting template. However, I think it's important to leave more space for more server-specific information. I play on a Roleplaying Server, and as I see it, this template concentrates only on aspects such as Raiding and PvP. They are important, of course, but there should be space for something more. My server Steamwheedle Cartel (EU) has it's own Roleplayer's wiki page, so there is no real need to use the Wowwiki page for the same purpose, but I think it warrants a much more visible position than a practically invisible link at the side. --Richeron (talk) 18:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I know. Still, if there isn't enough input, it won't improve, will it? --Richeron (talk) 01:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps an info update?--RhasBloodbear (talk) 12:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC) Also, do you think Sam Deathwalker should be mentioned in the honorable mentions? http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retard-rickshaw/35500-deathwalker-plans-26-boxing-wow-58.html-- RhasBloodbear (talk) 15:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC) Server firsts[]If you like the "PVE Hall of Fame" or list of "Server Firsts" (whatever you want to call it), I can make it into a template. |
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New general discussion[]I've been casually updating / refurbishing server pages in the Whirlwind battlegroup, starting with Server:Darrowmere US. I'll likely follow with Nightfall. (Now that's I've found my way here), I like the new template and will integrate it where I can before I continue onto other pages. I could use input on what to do with the massive pre-Cataclysm guild progression templates, however. While many are found on other pages (in some cases, even guild lists), most of the servers in Whirlwind have them taking up much of the primary server page. Edit: Oiy, considering the status of these updates, this project hasn't been touched in a while. Still, I'll make use of what's here. I make a point to be flexible in the context that user-generated content throughout the server pages doesn't always have much in common. The RP servers particularly have their own creative flavor. One I'd consider a masterpiece is Server:Blackwater Raiders US. For the most part the goal has been organization, unifying templates where appropriate, updates and wikification. As an added note, putting the proposed "progression list" template to work should solve my recurring issues with the redundant, color-coded monsters I don't know what to do with. I'll create a new page for old content statistics, i.e. Server:Shadowmoon US/Progression where needed to clean up the primary server page. Evigilo (talk) 08:03, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
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